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Hello Reggie

sorry to everyone I just realised I put William and Eleanors marriage cert on first time WRONG
it is marriage 1853 for William Henry Baker age 25 moulder living in Deepfields father Thomas Baker Butcher and Sarah Cleaton 24 Moxley father William Cleaton Leather cutter

Sorry for any confusion It is W H Baker's Father Thomas Baker and Phoebe Carter where my prob is

Mary

Hello Reggie

sorry to everyone I just realised I put William and Eleanors marriage cert on first time WRONG
it is marriage 1853 for William Henry Baker age 25 moulder living in Deepfields father Thomas Baker Butcher and Sarah Cleaton 24 Moxley father William Cleaton Leather cutter

Sorry for any confusion It is W H Baker's Father Thomas Baker and Phoebe Carter where my prob is

Mary

Why is there a problem? Please give the details of the 'problem'

The info is clear enough on the 1851 census.

You haven't said where your info differs from the other person's - and, until you do, there is no way we can help

Reggie

The problem is another lady As the same Thomas Baker and Phoebe Carter on her tree Same birth dates and places same marriage but different children I have found the family she has but one of us has the wrong marriage for Thomas and Phoebe ?

Mary

Oh dear...this is hard graft.............

What names does she have for the children?

Hello,

This is the info the lady has on her tree so you can see where the prob is

My Thomas was born 18/05/1806 Kingswinford he married Phebe Carter 23/09/1827 in Womborne Phebe or Phoebe was born 18/06/1807 in Sedgley,
the children I have are
Joshua born 1826
Isaiah bap. 07/10/1827
Thomas bap. 21/03/1830
Joseph bap.10/02/1833
Samuel bap.08/02/1835
Anne bap. 13/11/1836
Phoebe bap.03/06/1838

One of us must be wrong

Mary

There is a rather garbled tree on Ancestry that shows Deborah marrying 3 times - first to John Jeremiah Williams. It doesn't have Thomas and Phoebe's marriage

This is a totally different BAKER family

1841



Name: Phoebe Baker
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Kingswinford
Hundred: North Seisdon
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingswinford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 996
Book: 3
Folio: 41
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Baker 37**************Occupation.MINER
Phoebe Baker 35
Joshua Baker 15
Thomas Baker 13
Joseph Baker 10
Samuel Baker 6
Anne Baker 5
Phoebe Baker 3


So if Thomas and Phoebe are supposed to be your common ancestors............I fear you'll have to re-think

groom's name: Thomas Baker
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Phebe Carter
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 23 Sep 1827
marriage place: Wombourn, Stafford, England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: I03904-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1517739

lancashireAnn

William & Sarah not Eleanor she married John hyde I'm also confused

:-D :-D

mary

there are TWO thomas Baker & Phoebe marriages in Staffordshire
a) Phoebe Groice in 1825 Wolverhampton

b) Phoebe carter in 1827 Womborn

perhaps one of you has the wrong Phoebe

there are a lot of children on family search born to a Thomas & Phoebe which given the dates of them cannot possibly be from the same family

Deborah is one of the Cosely lot

THIS is YOUR family in 1841

All transcribed individually by Ancestry

Thomas Baker abt 1806 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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Phebe Baker abt 1811 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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W Henry Baker abt 1828 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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John Baker abt 1831 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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Eli Baker abt 1833 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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Elizabeth Baker abt 1835 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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Margaret Baker abt 1840 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire

beer seller & butcher are perhaps not mutally exclusive

I have a few relatives who were innkeepers and carpenters and one who lived in The Butcher's Arms but who describes himself as a butcher

lancashireann

See the 1841's I posted.................they clarify just about everything, I think

Apart from which Phoebe married which Thomas. of course.

But at least it proves that the apparent 'common ancestors' are, in fact, not.

To add to the 1841 that Reggie posted, this man is living with them:


Name:

Jacob Carter
Age:25
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1816
Where born:
Staffordshire, England

Looking at the dates of the children...I would suggest that the earlier marriage was for Thomas the MINER

I've done as much as I intend to on this one............have to be elsewhere

Reggie

I have 1841 census info but on the 1851 it as Phebe b 1807 in Sedgley and that is the same as the other persons tree If I can find the births for Thomas and Phebes daughters Margaret 1839 or Deborah 1844 both born in Sedgley I will send for one of the birth cert's and hopefully Phoebes maiden name

Mary

Just popped back to see if you'd picked up the info

No-one can do any more to help you if you can't see that there are TWO families

I wish you luck

I don't know who you are Potty but your a darling I've looked and re- looked at the 1841 census and it just never clicked till you just posted Jacob Carter could be Phebe's brother so I think I have the right Thomas and Phebe in my tree so maybe it's the other persons tree which is wrong

Mary