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Hello,

Just a quick update for everyone who helped.

Received birth cert today for Margaret Baker b1839 Deepfields, Her parents are Thomas and Phebe Baker (nee Carter) so I have the correct Bakers on my tree, It also as Thomas as a Butcher and Beer seller so I can know continue my search for info on Phebe and Thomas

Regards

Mary

Here's the unposted bits of Reggie's 1841


Parish:SEDGLEY
Street:DEEPFIELD
Registration District:DUDLEY
Sub District:SEDGLEY
Archive Reference:HO107 Book:7 Folio:15 Page:22
JACOB CARTER 1816 25 Staffs Miner
MARY PEPLOW 1816 25 Staffs F.S.
[ELI a=8 is female]

And here they are in 1851 - I can't make out their lodger's forename:

1851 England Census
County:Staffordshire
Parish:SEDGLEY
Street:PARKHOUSE LANE
City:WOLVERHAMPTON
Ecclesiastical District:COSELEY
Hamlet:COSELEY
Parliamentary Borough:WOLVERHAMPTON
Registration District:SEDGLEY
Sub District:DUDLEY
Enumeration District:33
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:2031 Folio:131 Page:14-15

THOMAS BAKER 1805 46 HEAD M KINGSWINFORD Staffs BEER SELLER
PHOEBE BAKER 1807 44 WIFE M SEDGLEY Staffs
WILLIAM HENRY BAKER 1829 22 SON U KINGSWINFORD Staffs MOULDER
JOHN BAKER 1831 20 SON U KINGSWINFORD Staffs MOULDER
ELIZA BAKER 1832 19 DAUGHTER U KINGSWINFORD Staffs BARMAID
ELIZABETH BAKER 1836 15 DAUGHTER U SEDGLEY Staffs DRESSMAKER
MARGRET BAKER 1839 12 DAUGHTER U SEDGLEY Staffs SCHOLAR
DEBORAH BAKER 1844 7 DAUGHTER U SEDGLEY Staffs SCHOLAR
SOPHIA HURST 1829 22 SERVANT U SEDGLEY Staffs HOUSE SERVANT
ABM [?] CARTER 1820 31 LODGER U SEDGLEY Staffs TURNER

lancashireAnn

I ordered a birth cert earlier but did not know about putting on parents name on

thank you for that info

Mary
:-D

Please don't think twice about posting again Mary. There are always people willing to help. I think I could say we do not all want thanking individually - just thank you all will do with sometimes a special mention if someone has found a specially useful fact. It is always nice to know if the info one has found was useful as most of us help for the challenge of solving a problem.

sometimes people post what seems obvious to you who have all the background. It is often posted so that anyone looking can get a clearer picture of the problem

Did you know that if you put the parent's names on the application form for the certificate to the GRO if they do not match they will refund your money (or at least put Thomas as Phoebe could perhaps be spelt different ways)

Mary, please do post again if you need help and come back and let us know what the birth cert says.

Sorry if I have put anyone's nose out of joint by not answering everyone individually it was not my intention
I am alway's grateful to all who try to help maybe I will think twice befor asking again
Kind regards

Mary <3 <3

I have found a birth for Margaret on FMP so I will send for cert

Mary

Reggie

I know there's TWO families I said I was confused not stupid but knowing that there are 2 families did not make clear which one of us had the correctThomas and Phoebe but I think Potty as now answered my confusion and I think I have the correct family on my tree but Thank you for your help anyway


mary

I can't find a birth for Deborah or Margaret but there is one for a Phoebe Baker, 1838 in Kingswinford. This could be the one in the other family. It does not come up on freebmd but is on the West Midlands bmd site. Perhaps you could suggest to the other lady that she buy the cert?

Deborah was baptised Oct 1843

there is no birth reg for a Deborah tho there is one for Baker Female in reg district Dudley which covers Coseley

I don't know who you are Potty but your a darling I've looked and re- looked at the 1841 census and it just never clicked till you just posted Jacob Carter could be Phebe's brother so I think I have the right Thomas and Phebe in my tree so maybe it's the other persons tree which is wrong

Mary

Just popped back to see if you'd picked up the info

No-one can do any more to help you if you can't see that there are TWO families

I wish you luck

Reggie

I have 1841 census info but on the 1851 it as Phebe b 1807 in Sedgley and that is the same as the other persons tree If I can find the births for Thomas and Phebes daughters Margaret 1839 or Deborah 1844 both born in Sedgley I will send for one of the birth cert's and hopefully Phoebes maiden name

Mary

I've done as much as I intend to on this one............have to be elsewhere

Looking at the dates of the children...I would suggest that the earlier marriage was for Thomas the MINER

To add to the 1841 that Reggie posted, this man is living with them:


Name:

Jacob Carter
Age:25
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1816
Where born:
Staffordshire, England

lancashireann

See the 1841's I posted.................they clarify just about everything, I think

Apart from which Phoebe married which Thomas. of course.

But at least it proves that the apparent 'common ancestors' are, in fact, not.

beer seller & butcher are perhaps not mutally exclusive

I have a few relatives who were innkeepers and carpenters and one who lived in The Butcher's Arms but who describes himself as a butcher

THIS is YOUR family in 1841

All transcribed individually by Ancestry

Thomas Baker abt 1806 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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Phebe Baker abt 1811 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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W Henry Baker abt 1828 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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John Baker abt 1831 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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Eli Baker abt 1833 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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Elizabeth Baker abt 1835 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire
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Margaret Baker abt 1840 Staffordshire, England Sedgley, Staffordshire