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there are TWO thomas Baker & Phoebe marriages in Staffordshire
a) Phoebe Groice in 1825 Wolverhampton

b) Phoebe carter in 1827 Womborn

perhaps one of you has the wrong Phoebe

there are a lot of children on family search born to a Thomas & Phoebe which given the dates of them cannot possibly be from the same family

Deborah is one of the Cosely lot

lancashireAnn

William & Sarah not Eleanor she married John hyde I'm also confused

:-D :-D

mary

groom's name: Thomas Baker
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Phebe Carter
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 23 Sep 1827
marriage place: Wombourn, Stafford, England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: I03904-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1517739

This is a totally different BAKER family

1841



Name: Phoebe Baker
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Kingswinford
Hundred: North Seisdon
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingswinford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 996
Book: 3
Folio: 41
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Baker 37**************Occupation.MINER
Phoebe Baker 35
Joshua Baker 15
Thomas Baker 13
Joseph Baker 10
Samuel Baker 6
Anne Baker 5
Phoebe Baker 3


So if Thomas and Phoebe are supposed to be your common ancestors............I fear you'll have to re-think

There is a rather garbled tree on Ancestry that shows Deborah marrying 3 times - first to John Jeremiah Williams. It doesn't have Thomas and Phoebe's marriage

Hello,

This is the info the lady has on her tree so you can see where the prob is

My Thomas was born 18/05/1806 Kingswinford he married Phebe Carter 23/09/1827 in Womborne Phebe or Phoebe was born 18/06/1807 in Sedgley,
the children I have are
Joshua born 1826
Isaiah bap. 07/10/1827
Thomas bap. 21/03/1830
Joseph bap.10/02/1833
Samuel bap.08/02/1835
Anne bap. 13/11/1836
Phoebe bap.03/06/1838

One of us must be wrong

Mary

Oh dear...this is hard graft.............

What names does she have for the children?

Reggie

The problem is another lady As the same Thomas Baker and Phoebe Carter on her tree Same birth dates and places same marriage but different children I have found the family she has but one of us has the wrong marriage for Thomas and Phoebe ?

Mary

Why is there a problem? Please give the details of the 'problem'

The info is clear enough on the 1851 census.

You haven't said where your info differs from the other person's - and, until you do, there is no way we can help

Hello Reggie

sorry to everyone I just realised I put William and Eleanors marriage cert on first time WRONG
it is marriage 1853 for William Henry Baker age 25 moulder living in Deepfields father Thomas Baker Butcher and Sarah Cleaton 24 Moxley father William Cleaton Leather cutter

Sorry for any confusion It is W H Baker's Father Thomas Baker and Phoebe Carter where my prob is

Mary

Hello Reggie

sorry to everyone I just realised I put William and Eleanors marriage cert on first time WRONG
it is marriage 1853 for William Henry Baker age 25 moulder living in Deepfields father Thomas Baker Butcher and Sarah Cleaton 24 Moxley father William Cleaton Leather cutter

Sorry for any confusion It is W H Baker's Father Thomas Baker and Phoebe Carter where my prob is

Mary

is this Eleanor in 1881 with mother re-married

Head Samuel Wall M 60 Moxley, Staffordshire, England
Wife Sarah Wall F 52 Lye Waste, Worcestershire, England
Daughter Eleanor A Baker F 18 Moxley, Staffordshire, England

Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
Baker Sarah W. Bromwich 6b 898
PRINCE Simeon W Bromwich 6b 898
Turton Sarah Jane W Bromwich 6b 898
WALL Samuel W Bromwich 6b 898

Hi Mary

is the marriage certificate of William & Sarah or William & Eleanor please - I am getting confused with names

Where did you find a marriage to ELEANOR?

The only real query you raised is with reference to Deborah.

You've given no indication of the discrepancies between your info and that of the person you say is loosely connected to you.

Perhaps you could clarify.........................

Hello MarieCeleste

It as his father as a butcher but I cannot find any other ref as a butcher every search I've done he seems to be a beer seller

mary

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BAKER William H CLEATON Sarah Coseley, Christ Church Dudley Register Office 208/002/28


just noticed that goes rather well with the name of the 1st child - Cleaton

Hello Mary - what was Thomas Baker's occupation on the marriage certificate of William and Eleanor?

I would guess that this is William and Sarah's marriage:

Marriages Sep 1853 (>99%)
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****BAKER William Henry Dudley 6c 1
BULLOCK George Dudley 6c 1
****CLEATON Sarah Dudley 6c 1
FLETCHER Hannah Dudley 6c 1

Marriages Sep 1853 (>99%)
BAKER William Henry Dudley 6c 1
CLEATON Sarah Dudley 6c 1