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Hi, you have been an absolute treasure with all your information, I thank you so much for your time, effort and help. I have written to suncroft parish giving all the details I can and just hope and pray they will respond. If they do and anything further comes to light then I will let you know.

Just one last thing and I will leave you alone to help others, you say there are a number of message board postings that I could look at, where are they please?

Once again your help is very much appreciated. Take care. If you can point me in the right direction for the message board postings that would be great.

Kind regards


Kathryn

Hi Kathryn,

If we accept the 1858 marriage is correct, which I am 99 % sure, it gives us a birth window prior to 1842 for the couple.

Between 1812-1842 there were 47 births to the various Noud families, 39 in Kildare the remainder Dublin. For this period there was only one Julia Noud birth found in the IFHF database which was in 1824 in surprisingly Kildare. I have cross referenced this birth with potential fathers from the Griffiths Valuation and none match. This could be down to many things fathers death prior to the valuation, fathers details not recorded or something else. The Noud families with the exception of a James in Levitstown are concentrated on the borders of the three Catholic Parishes of Suncroft, Monasterevan and Narraghmore( Cookstown and Kilmeade).
Your options could be to order the FHS microfilms for these parishes and go to town on Noud families of Kildare, Records seem to date from 1808 and appear largely complete. You may have to manage your expectations if you order the cert as details may be sparse
The family name is not common in Ireland and there are a number of message board postings which you may wish to look into for help.
As for Michael Curran including variants there were 72 M C births in Ireland 1812-42, only one in Kildare though, in 1825. Again the same situation exists should you decide to purchase the cert.

Not much more I can do.

Hi again, last one tonight and will leave you in peace. Am sure everyone will be glad when I go back to work next week and you all get some peace. Don't get me wrong I am most grateful for all the help, time and effort that's been put into this one and obviously I will not rest until hopefully we can get a few more details.

Will be back in the morning to check for any messages, I then have to go out and will be back tomorrow afternoon.

You are so kind.

Kind regards

Foxysoxy

Hi Kathryn,

The record you have looks to be the one suggested and as you said the lack of detail is unfortunate . It may be the case that the christian names could not be transcribed due to condition of the record or the written word. You could contact the parish , V. Rev. Barry Larkin PP at [email protected] detailing what you have from the IFHF and whether he can assist any further.

Not sure if you noticed but the Catholic parish is Suncroft and not Monasterevan .As this was the only Michael Curran to be married to a Julia Noud, Knowd or similar over a wide time period should not cause concern as Suncroft borders Monasterevan.

I will look at more closely when time allows later today.

Hi again, sorry to be a pain. I am now wondering if I have gone to the right site to obtain the marriage records as I have just re read your last message but am not sure what I have is transcribed from the original document as surely it would have the details on it that are missing from the details I now have.

Kind regards

Foxysoxy

Hiya, have just purchased credits for that site and have the marriage details. Unfortunately it does not give me the address, age or the names of the parents on either side. It does give me the witnesses names though. Blast. I was hoping to get a bit more from it than that.

Will PM over to you if that's okay.

Kind regards

Foxysoxy

Hi Kathryn,

Firstly there will be no Volume/Page numbers to quote as these relate to Civil Registrations , in this instance post 1863 as it was a Catholic marriage.

You can contact what is most likely the Catholic parish of Monasterevan in Kildare, to clarify what they are prepared to supply to you but I don't feel it will be a copy marriage cert as you have in the UK,at best a copy of the marriage entry from their registers.

My understanding is the IFHF(Rootsireland) in an arrangement with the Church have taken up the roll of being the primary source for such requests and what they supply is a document which you can download transcribed from the original document.

What you may get back from the Monasterevan Parish may simply be a referral to IFHF to resolve your inquiry, but hey you never know. I must just add I have been quite happy with the documents I have received.

I hope this helps.

Hi again, car MOT'd and passed thank god. Someone on Ancestry has now come up with the same marriage but still not sure how to apply for the cert ie do I need a volume and page number to apply for the same so that they don't have to search for it?

Kind regards

Foxysoxy

Good morning, what a star you are. I had visitors last night so it would have been rude of me to leave them and come to my computer. I am amazed at the results. Someone on Ancestry has given me an email addy for the IFHF site and said I should contact them obviously with your results. Does the marriage you found have a volume and page number so that I can perhaps send off for the certificate please? I mentioned before I am useless with searching parishes etc, trying to teach me this is like me being back at school and that doesn't work now unfortunately, so long ago. Call me thick if you like, I don't mind one bit. I am going out soon and then have to take my car for its MOT, perhaps I need one too!!! I'll be back this afternoon at some point to check if you have kindly replied to me.

Once again many thanks for your time and help in this matter.

Kind regards

Foxysoxy (Is that better)

Hi Kathryn,

I have searched the LDs site without surname/christian name option for marriages 1857/1860 using only parish details. The most striking thing was the variation in spelling of common Irish surnames from that which appears in say the west of Ireland, not surprising given the English influence in the area east of the Shannon.

The name Curran often appears as Currin and given this have searched the Irishroots site to narrow down potentials . I have now after some time narrowed it down to one:- Michael Currin Julia Noud 1858 Co.Kildare. If the original name was Gonoude and something has been lost in translation we will never know.

Other variations used with Julia as wife are Currran, Curren,Curreen for +/-3 yrs 1858 for the entire island. The system returned an additional marriage for 1858 and when using a complimentary surname like Dowd, Knowd or similair would normally return a positive result. In this case it did not.

When finances allow bear in mind the spelling variation.

Hi Kathryn,

Much prefer the Foxysoxy tag!! Have you dismissed the Gonoude connection from the certificate for Alicia?

Hiya, thank you so much for all that information and after you've been to the pub, hope you enjoyed!! I will have a look tomorrow as am expecting visitors anytime soon. Thanks once again for all your time and help it is much appreciated. I have put the feelers out on Ancestry as well about the surname to see if anyone on there can decifer it as the K in what looks like Knowd is different from the K in Kildare on the cert.

Hopefully will get there one day.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi Kathryn,

Townland search for Monasterevin resulted in :-

Thomas Dowd - Kennys Alley
Thomas Dowd - Oghill
Michael Dowd - Oldgrange

No other surnames come close

If you go to askaboutireland.ie and do a placename search for the civil parishes which border Duneany noted below in Co Kildare, the results will display all the townlands in that civil parish. Enter the Civil parish name in placename and select Co Kildare and the same parish name from the scroll down menus for county and parish. Click on occupants and you will be able to compare the name Knowd with occupants of each townland. Only if you have the time and patience.

Civil Parishes - HARRISTOWN - KILDANGAN - LACKAGH - MOONE - WALTERSTOWN .- KILDARE.

Good Luck.

Hi again, thanks for your reply, regarding Knowd, I think I said before I found on family search.org the birth of Anne with the father as Michael Curran and mother Julia Knowd and that's why I assumed (and I know one shouldn't) but as you say the writing of Julia's surname could be determined as something else. Always good to have a spare pair of eyes. Thanks for your continued help.

Enjoy the Pub.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi Kathryn,

Received Certificate thanks. Not convinced it is Knowd but will check later Griffiths valuation for families in the area for possible names ending OWD.

The civil registration of births commenced for Catholics in 1864 and as I have found with my own family returns/registrations seem to have been done via an unrelated though within the locality parish. This may be due to the system being in its infancy, the spouses connection to Monasterevin or any number of other reasons. There was at this time a renewal of church building throughout Ireland and there may have not been a local church available!!

Off to the Pub for a while.

Hi all, have just found a piece of paper that says marriage of Michael + Julia, 2 August 1858 County Kildare. Not sure where that information came from but have just looked and still can't see anything. Not sure if this is any help to anyone in searching. There again not sure if this relates to Michael and Julia although it says it does but it doesn't say whether this was a catholic wedding or other.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi, thank you for this information, am going to have a look now, I haven't come across a Denis before but as you say he maybe extended family etc.

Thank you for your time.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi Kathryn,

Duneany and Monasterevin are two separate, adjoining Civil Parishes in Kildare.

From the Griffiths valuation there is a Denis Curran recorded at Duneaney -Townland, Duneany -Parish, Athy -Union, Offaly, West - Union, Kildare- County.

This is the only Curran or Knowd family in either Duneany or Monasterevin Civil Parishes at the time of the Valuation in 1852 and may be extended family father or brother.

Griffiths Valuation at askaboutireland.ie

Hi, thank you for that link. Sadly you need credits for this, I would buy them after looking into how much they cost if I definitely knew a year exactly otherwise it could be really expensive. Having said that if this is the route I am going to have to take then so be it but obviously could do without it.

Once again thank you for the link.

Kind regards

Kathryn

hi kathryn

you could try here

rootsireland.ie