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Could some kind person help me find information on Thomas Herbert Hall ? born Ackworth 1885, and his wife Constance N.
Believe that he emmigrated to Canada around 1905. I found him on a passenger list 1908, with wife Constance N. who was said to have been born in Derby about 1885. I also found them on another passenger list with daughter Grace R. 1914 and son Robert R.1915. (both born in Canada) family seemed to be centred around Montreal.
I think that Thomas and Constance were married in Canada, but I'm not able to find marriage record in Canada or UK. Would like to know Constance's maiden name.
Tom Hall was an artist of some renown in Canada, working for the Canadian Pacific Company. He died in 1972. I couldn't find any death notice for Constance.

Any help would be greatly apprciated, Brian

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Name: Thomas Herbert Hall
Event: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender:
Age: 25
Birthplace: York, Yorkshire
Record Type: Institution
Registration District:
Sub-district:
Parish:
County: Overseas Military

Is this him in 1911?

Montreal, St. Antoine, Quebec

Hall F. H. M Head M Mar 1885 26
Hall Constance F Wife M Aug 1886 25

Although initial does look like F. on original. Both born England.

I wonder about this one, though area might be a bit random! Constance has been missed off the first entry.

However, it might not fit with emigration records you have.

Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)
ATKINSON Albert Scarbro' 9d 735
COOPER Louisa Scarborough 9d 735
HALL Thomas Herbert Scarbro' 9d 735

Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)
WARD Constance Nellie Scarbro' 9d 785

There are quite a few Constance Nellie's born Derbyshire.

Jan

Do you have his parents name please, and where he was born?

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This passenger list has 3 children:

Thomas, 30, artist
Constance, 29, wife
Charles, 2
Grace, 1yr, 6 months
Robert, 3 months

All Canadian citizens.

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1954
about Constance Hall Name: Constance Hall
Arrival Date: May 1915
Port of Arrival: Alburg, Vermont, United States
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1886
Birth Country: England
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: English
Record Type: Manifests

His obit is here:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19720419&id=S8UtAAAAIBAJ&sjid=j6EFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2431,3174755

Some of his art work here:

http://www.arcadja.com/auctions/en/hall_thomas_herbert/artist/108803/

I think this is a red herring, but for completeness I am putting this as it is almost certainly the Constance Ward who married in 1908. Trying to find them 1911 to exclude.

1901 England Census

Name: Constance N Ward
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Clara Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Alespenle Dale, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Scarborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Scarborough
County/Island: Yorkshire

Registration district: Scarborough
Sub-registration district: Scarborough

Clara Ward 44
Caroline C Ward 18
Florence E Ward 16
Constance N Ward 15
Clifford W Ward 12
Edmond Doroker 55
Jane Milnes 47
John W Milnes 10
Rosie Atkinson 16
William Crudley 72
Caroline Crudley 70

This appears to be Thomas

Name: Thomas H Hall
Birth Date: abt 1885
Age: 34
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 31 Jul 1919
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Carmania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carmania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 120901

Thomas is an Artist and travelling with him are

Constance aged 34
James Barclay aged 7
Grace aged 5
Robert Russell aged 4
Thomas Clifford aged 3

It states that England was to be their permanent residence. Address Piory Cottage, Ackworth, Yorks

This appears to be another incoming passenger list for Thomas

Name: Mr Thomas H Hall
Birth Date: abt 1885
Age: 69
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 19 Jun 1954
Port of Arrival: Swansea, Wales
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Cortona
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Cortona' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Donaldson Line
Official Number: 182076

Thomas is an Artist and travelling with him is Constance: address given is Webton Court Hotel Leeds but permanent residence is 'other parts of the British Empire'

This appears to be the family going back to Canada and there is a lot of info on the passenger list

Name: Thomas H Hall
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 9 Dec 1929
Vessel: Ausonia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ausonia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Roll: T-14822

Travelling with Thomas b Ackworth who is an Artist are
Constance N aged 44 b Derby
Grace M aged 15 b Montreal
Robert R aged 14 b Montreal

It asks the question 'If in Canada before between what period' and it is answered 1907-1915.

Destination: Brother in Law Dudley Ward (just wondering if there is a connection to 1901 census that Brummiejan has found) living in Montreal.

Nearest relative: N L Hall, Father, Priory Cottage Ackworth

I am beginning to wonder if that marriage might actually be a possibility.

However, this is likely to be her 1891 - no sign of a Dudley!!

1891 England Census

Name: Constance Nelly Ward
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: J W T Ward
Mother's Name: Clara Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Alsop in the Dale, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Turnditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Turnditch All Saints
Town: Turnditch
County/Island: Derbyshire

Registration district: Belper

J W T Ward 45
Clara Ward 35
Ann Ward 75
W D B Ward 11
Percy Ball Ward 10
Florence Elizabeth Ward 6
Constance Nelly Ward 5
Clifford Walsham Ward 2
Mabel Ward 4/12
Hannah Laban 21
Jan

Parents: Henry Louis Hall,? Harriett Hall

name: Thomas Herbert Hall
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Apr 1885
baptism/christening place: Acworth, York, England
father's name: Henry Louis Hall
mother's name: Harriett Hall
indexing project (batch) number: I04659-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1657057

The guy in Margee's census is an artist [y.o.immig left blank]

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Quebec / Montreal St. Antoine / 35 St. Antoine ward / page 58
43 564 Hall F. H. M Head M Mar 1885 26
44 564 Hall Constance F Wife M Aug 1886 25
[addy=57a Coursol]

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002074482.pdf


He's listed as Hall, T.H., artist, 57a Coursol in 1911 Annuaires Lovell de Montréal
et sa banlieue[=suburbs]
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/

EDIT Rue Coursol still exists in part -it's a couple of blocks SE of Rue St-Antoine, but it no longer exists at the E end around Rue Berri and Rue St-Andre, which is the bit where the Halls lived.

safc, Margee, Brummiegan, Gins, Londonbelle, Alviegal,

Thankyou all so very much for your time and help...and so quick !

Brummiegan, I will pursue the Scarboro marriage lead.
9d735 and 9d785 was a good catch that I had missed.
Even tho there seems to be a conflict with 1908 passenger list.

Londonbelle, the 1954 passenger list tie in, to Dudley Ward was a good catch too, that I missed. Tom Hall's parents were indeed Henry Louis and Harriet Hall of Ackworth.

Thankyou all, again, for your extra pairs of eyes and your minds on this search.

Brian

Good luck Brian. I hope I haven't led you up the wrong tree! But I suppose I would be tempted by that marriage too if it were me.
Out of interest, what date did they travel on in 1908?
Jan

Brummiejan, re your 1891 census perhaps the following are Percy & William births

Births Sep 1880
WARD Percy Ball Cheadle 6b 318

Births Jun 1879
Ward William Dudley B Cheadle 6b 344

Perhaps William was known as Dudley in later years?

You might be right Londonbelle - both of them have births as Gorsty Hill Staffs, but how many Percy Ball Wards can there be!
Well spotted, I did have a look but couldn't find him.
Jan

It must be him surely:

1881 England Census

Name: William D. B. Ward
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James W. T. Ward
Mother's Name: Clara Ward
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheadle, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Checkley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Gravelly Bank

Registration district: Cheadle
Sub-registration district: Cheadle

James W. T. Ward 35
Clara Ward 25
William D. B. Ward 2
Percy B. Ward 1
Ann Ward 65
Thomas Ward 31
Sarah A. West 20
Jacob Camwell 15