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Ship: MONTCALM
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Railway Co.
Departure Port and Date (yyyy/mm/dd): Avonmouth, England - 1911-11-01
Liverpool, England - 1911-11-07
Port and Date of Arrival: Montreal, Que. - 1911-11-20
Quebec, Que. - 1911-11-19
Remarks: Short List
Reference: RG 76
Microfilm: T-4783
[Ancestry says dep Bristol]
You can view the image (it's 2 of 3) It's not great resolution - only 93KB - Ancestry is probably better, but I've no sub.
Thos is a Mechanical Engineer - prob his occup with CPR per obit.
He's already spent 8 y in Canada (that's what he says). I can't make out Connie's entry - it's obscured by a "Ret(urne)d Canadians" stamp.
He's a nonconformist, she CofE - they intend to remain Forever.


1891 England Census
County:Yorkshire (West Riding)
Parish:ACKWORTH
Street:PONTEFRACT ROAD
Town:ACKWORTH
Ecclesiastical District:ACKWORTH
Parliamentary Borough:OSGOLDCROSS
Registration District:HEMSWORTH
Sub District:HEMSWORTH
Enumeration District:1
Archive Reference:RG12 Piece Number:3765 Folio:6 Page:3

HENRY L HALL 1861 30 RYHILL, Yorks HEAD M SADDLER
HARRIET HALL 1857 34 HAMBLETON, Yorks WIFE M
THOMAS H HALL 1885 6 ACKWORTH, Yorks SON SCHOLAR
CHARLES W HALL 1888 3 ACKWORTH, Yorks SON


1901 England Census
County:Yorkshire (West riding)
Parish:ACKWORTH
Street:HIGH ACKWORTH
Town:ACKWORTH
Ecclesiastical District:ACKWORTH ST CUTHBERT'S
Parliamentary Borough:OSGOLDCROSS
Registration District:HEMSWORTH
Sub District:HEMSWORTH
Enumeration District:1
Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:4306 Folio:15 Page:22

HENRY L HALL 1861 40 WRAGBY, Yorks HEAD M GENERAL SADDLER (Employer)
HARRIET HALL 1857 44 BRAYTON, Yorks WIFE M
THOMAS H HALL 1885 16 ACKWORTH, Yorks SON S SADDLERS SON
CHARLES W HALL 1888 13 ACKWORTH, Yorks SON S
JOHN S HALL 1892 9 ACKWORTH, Yorks SON S
ESTHER M HALL 1897 4 ACKWORTH, Yorks DAUR S
ALBERT CROSS 1877 24 SPALDING, Lincs BOARDER S SADDLER

Brian - 1908q4 includes Oct - 6 Nov was the last Liverpool departure to Quebec City/Montreal (arr 14/11/08). After that ice (or fear of ice) closes the St Lawrence, and one has to use an Atlantic port like St John NB or Halifax NS, followed by a 625/950 m train trip. This makes a trans-Atlantic trip to Boston or New York, followed by a 325/400 m train trip a reasonable alternative.

Do let us know how it goes Brian - fingers crossed!
Jan

brummiejan,
thankyou for your help..apologies, my mind is not quite as agile anymore. In Thomas Hall's obit it said that he arrived in Canada 1908.
His marriage to Constance Ward was reg. 4Q1908 so could have been as early as Nov (assuming this is the correct marriage) so a transAtlantic voyage in the Winter of 1908 is feasible (but not comfortable)
I don't have access to 1908 Canada bound Passenger Lists.
I plan to get their 1908 wedding reg.
Thomas Hall was my wife's great uncle, her dad had visited the family in Montreal in 1967... we have lost contact with the family now, but will try for living relatives there. Thanyou Jan for your help
Best Regards, Brian

1901 England Census
County:Yorkshire (North riding)
Ecclesiastical District:ST MARYS
Parish:SCARBOROUGH
Town:SCARBOROUGH
Street:17 ALMA SQUARE
Municipal Ward:CENTRAL
Parliamentary Borough:SCARBOROUGH
Registration District:SCARBOROUGH
Sub District:SCARBOROUGH
Enumeration District:10
Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:4531 Folio:15 Page:22

CLARA WARD 1857 44 GRINDON, STAFFS Head W Lodging House Keeper
CAROLINE C WARD 1883 18 HOLLINGTON, DERBYSHIRE Daur S Telephone Operator
FLORENCE E WARD 1885 16 ALSOP EN LE DALE, DERBYSHIRE Daur S
CONSTANCE N WARD 1886 15 ALSOP EN LE DALE, DERBYSHIRE Daur S
CLIFFORD W WARD 1889 12 ETWALL, DERBYSHIRE Son
EDMOND DOWKER 1846 55 STONEGRAVE, YORKS Boarder S Retired Master Mariner

Using http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WARD James W T BURNETT Clara Stramshall, St Michael East Staffordshire 238/01/023.

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1879
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WARD William Dudley Burnett Cheadle Newcastle-Under-Lyme CH/19/64

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WARD Percy Ball Cheadle Newcastle-Under-Lyme CH/20/23

I know! Good job we persisted even though it seemed a bit daft given what has been said about the emigration date. Just goes to show, look for the simplest thing first, in this case a UK marriage.
Jan

Yes, it is looking more and more likely!

It must be him surely:

1881 England Census

Name: William D. B. Ward
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James W. T. Ward
Mother's Name: Clara Ward
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheadle, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Checkley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Gravelly Bank

Registration district: Cheadle
Sub-registration district: Cheadle

James W. T. Ward 35
Clara Ward 25
William D. B. Ward 2
Percy B. Ward 1
Ann Ward 65
Thomas Ward 31
Sarah A. West 20
Jacob Camwell 15

You might be right Londonbelle - both of them have births as Gorsty Hill Staffs, but how many Percy Ball Wards can there be!
Well spotted, I did have a look but couldn't find him.
Jan

Brummiejan, re your 1891 census perhaps the following are Percy & William births

Births Sep 1880
WARD Percy Ball Cheadle 6b 318

Births Jun 1879
Ward William Dudley B Cheadle 6b 344

Perhaps William was known as Dudley in later years?

Good luck Brian. I hope I haven't led you up the wrong tree! But I suppose I would be tempted by that marriage too if it were me.
Out of interest, what date did they travel on in 1908?
Jan

safc, Margee, Brummiegan, Gins, Londonbelle, Alviegal,

Thankyou all so very much for your time and help...and so quick !

Brummiegan, I will pursue the Scarboro marriage lead.
9d735 and 9d785 was a good catch that I had missed.
Even tho there seems to be a conflict with 1908 passenger list.

Londonbelle, the 1954 passenger list tie in, to Dudley Ward was a good catch too, that I missed. Tom Hall's parents were indeed Henry Louis and Harriet Hall of Ackworth.

Thankyou all, again, for your extra pairs of eyes and your minds on this search.

Brian

The guy in Margee's census is an artist [y.o.immig left blank]

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Quebec / Montreal St. Antoine / 35 St. Antoine ward / page 58
43 564 Hall F. H. M Head M Mar 1885 26
44 564 Hall Constance F Wife M Aug 1886 25
[addy=57a Coursol]

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002074482.pdf


He's listed as Hall, T.H., artist, 57a Coursol in 1911 Annuaires Lovell de Montréal
et sa banlieue[=suburbs]
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/

EDIT Rue Coursol still exists in part -it's a couple of blocks SE of Rue St-Antoine, but it no longer exists at the E end around Rue Berri and Rue St-Andre, which is the bit where the Halls lived.

Parents: Henry Louis Hall,? Harriett Hall

name: Thomas Herbert Hall
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Apr 1885
baptism/christening place: Acworth, York, England
father's name: Henry Louis Hall
mother's name: Harriett Hall
indexing project (batch) number: I04659-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1657057

I am beginning to wonder if that marriage might actually be a possibility.

However, this is likely to be her 1891 - no sign of a Dudley!!

1891 England Census

Name: Constance Nelly Ward
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: J W T Ward
Mother's Name: Clara Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Alsop in the Dale, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Turnditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Turnditch All Saints
Town: Turnditch
County/Island: Derbyshire

Registration district: Belper

J W T Ward 45
Clara Ward 35
Ann Ward 75
W D B Ward 11
Percy Ball Ward 10
Florence Elizabeth Ward 6
Constance Nelly Ward 5
Clifford Walsham Ward 2
Mabel Ward 4/12
Hannah Laban 21
Jan

This appears to be the family going back to Canada and there is a lot of info on the passenger list

Name: Thomas H Hall
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 9 Dec 1929
Vessel: Ausonia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ausonia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Roll: T-14822

Travelling with Thomas b Ackworth who is an Artist are
Constance N aged 44 b Derby
Grace M aged 15 b Montreal
Robert R aged 14 b Montreal

It asks the question 'If in Canada before between what period' and it is answered 1907-1915.

Destination: Brother in Law Dudley Ward (just wondering if there is a connection to 1901 census that Brummiejan has found) living in Montreal.

Nearest relative: N L Hall, Father, Priory Cottage Ackworth

This appears to be another incoming passenger list for Thomas

Name: Mr Thomas H Hall
Birth Date: abt 1885
Age: 69
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 19 Jun 1954
Port of Arrival: Swansea, Wales
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Cortona
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Cortona' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Donaldson Line
Official Number: 182076

Thomas is an Artist and travelling with him is Constance: address given is Webton Court Hotel Leeds but permanent residence is 'other parts of the British Empire'

This appears to be Thomas

Name: Thomas H Hall
Birth Date: abt 1885
Age: 34
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 31 Jul 1919
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Carmania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carmania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 120901

Thomas is an Artist and travelling with him are

Constance aged 34
James Barclay aged 7
Grace aged 5
Robert Russell aged 4
Thomas Clifford aged 3

It states that England was to be their permanent residence. Address Piory Cottage, Ackworth, Yorks

I think this is a red herring, but for completeness I am putting this as it is almost certainly the Constance Ward who married in 1908. Trying to find them 1911 to exclude.

1901 England Census

Name: Constance N Ward
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Clara Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Alespenle Dale, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Scarborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Scarborough
County/Island: Yorkshire

Registration district: Scarborough
Sub-registration district: Scarborough

Clara Ward 44
Caroline C Ward 18
Florence E Ward 16
Constance N Ward 15
Clifford W Ward 12
Edmond Doroker 55
Jane Milnes 47
John W Milnes 10
Rosie Atkinson 16
William Crudley 72
Caroline Crudley 70