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4 Sep 2012 21:33 |
My pleasure Sarah! I found them by searching for a William Wootton with no date or place of birth or residency but putting in Foreman as a keyword. That was the most likely one that came up. I thought it could be a possiblity as you said that Frederick was a Commercial Traveller so it looks like he met Nellie on his travels.
Good luck with your research.
Mrs. Rootie
Marriages Sep 1874 Evans Thomas Aylesbury 3a 726 GURNEY Clara Elizabeth Aylesbury 3a 726 <<<<<<<<<< Thomas Eliza Bland Aylesbury 3a 726 Wootton William Aylesbury 3a 726 <<<<<<<<<<<
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4 Sep 2012 21:27 |
That's them! Interesting that the mother is called Clara as Nellie and John Henry named one of their daughters Ivy Clara. Ancestry have listed her as Nellie Wootton in 1911 but on the original it states Nellie Wood - married under one year! It also states she is a book folder and on her marriage certificate it states she worked as a book binding factory hand.Also father William's occupation matches. Thank you so much rootgatherer.
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4 Sep 2012 21:21 |
The above family look hopeful as that William was still alive at the time of Nellie's marriage?
Deaths Jun 1925 Wootton William G 84 Aylesbury 3a 899
Deaths Mar 1930 Wootton Clara E 79 Aylesbury 3a 1240
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Sorry, I should have said that Nellie was a Book Folder on that 1911 census.
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4 Sep 2012 21:10 |
1911
Name: William Wootton Age in 1911: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Aylesbury County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street Address: 21St Johns St, Aylesbury Marital Status: Married Occupation: Bricklayer <<<<<<<< Registration district: Aylesbury Registration District Number: 146 Sub-registration district: Aylesbury ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 268 Piece: 7931 Household Members: Name Age William Wootton 70 Clara Wootton 60 William Wootton 31 Nellie Wootton 20 Daughter, MARRIED Kathleen Wootton 17 Grace Wootton 14 Albert Wootton 12
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Name: William Wootton Age: 59 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Clara Wootton Gender: Male Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Aylesbury Ecclesiastical parish: Aylesbury St Mary and St John Town: Aylesbury County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Aylesbury Sub-registration district: Aylesbury ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 117 Piece: 1355 Folio: 92 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age William Wootton 59 Clara Wootton 50 John Wootton 24 Harry Wootton 15 Edward Wootton 15 Charlie Wootton 13 Nellie Wootton 9 <<<<<<< Kathleen Wootton 7 Grace Wootton 5 Albert Wootton 2 Births Jun 1891 Wootton Nellie Aylesbury 3a 784
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Sarah
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4 Sep 2012 21:08 |
Ah ok thanks for the update rootgatherer.
Yes I have the 1911 census for Disraeli Road - the witnesses were Frederick's brother and his wife and their mother Amelia. I thought perhaps Nellie might have still been living there but no such luck.
For info - this is 1911 census for Frederick, Nellie's 1st husband:
Name: Frederick Wood Age in 1911: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Birth Place: Sevenoaks, Kent, England Civil parish: Bedford County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street Address: 47 Commercial Road, Bedford Marital Status: Married Occupation: Canvasser Registration district: Bedford Registration District Number: 174 Sub-registration district: Bedford and Cardington ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 237 Piece: 8877 Household Members: Charles Henry Perkins 42 Bertha Perkins 32 Elsie Bertha Perkins 13 Leslie Perkins 10 John Mitchell 42 Frederick Wood 23
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Sarah
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4 Sep 2012 20:59 |
The certificate information from Ancestry tree is actually from my tree - just to clarify - John Henry Wood was a bachelor when he married Nellie - he was never married to his first "wife".
I know of two children that Nellie and Frederick had: Frederick William Wood b 1912 Marylebone Prudence Doris Wood b 1913 Brentford
I know they had another child according to the 1911 census return for Frederick who died but I have not been able to work out who that is yet.
Thanks Chris Ho for highighting that death may relate to a spinster - back to the drawing board on her death date then too!
Thanks Rootgatherer for clarifying those census - I will have another look at those.
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4 Sep 2012 20:41 |
The witnesses from the first marriage are still at the same address in 1911
Name: Violet Lilian Wood Age in 1911: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Daughter-in-law Gender: Female Birth Place: Putney Civil parish: Wandsworth County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 18 Disraeli Rd, Putney Marital Status: Married Registration district: Wandsworth Registration District Number: 26 Sub-registration district: Putney ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Piece: 2443 Household Members: Name Age Amelia Jane Wood 53 Boarding House Keeper, 9 children born, 5 living 4 have died Violet Lilian Wood 23 Daughter-in-law. married 2 years, 1 child born, 1 child living Charles Llewellyn Wood 22 Son Lily Causton 57 Boarder
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4 Sep 2012 20:25 |
Well, the above Helen / Nellie can be eliminated as this seems to be her marriage.
Name: Helen Wootton Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891 Spouse Name: Joseph Henry Purdy Spouse Age: 32 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 11 Mar 1917 Parish: Rotherhithe St Barnabas Borough: Southwark Father Name: John Wootton <<Dr. Sergeant Master Royal Engineers. (Deceased) Spouse Father Name: Joseph Purdy Register Type: Parish Register
So back to the drawing board..................
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4 Sep 2012 20:20 |
Name: WOOD, Nellie Registration district: [?] Pancras County: London Year of registration: 1960 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death:75 Volume no: 5D Page no: 404
(could be the below)
Name: Nellie Wood Probate Date: 13 Apr 1960 Death Date: 8 Feb 1960 Death Place: London, England Registry: London, England
(spinster of 10, St. Georges House, Coptic Street London, died University College Hospital London. Probate to Frances Alberta Wood, Violet Anne Wood spinsters)
Chris :)
edits (Frances Death 1962, Violet Death 1964, both London)
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4 Sep 2012 19:34 |
Is this one of their children Frederick W Wood J/F/M 1912 St Marylebone. 1a 946
Could the W be for William named after her dad?
Info off marriage certs which are on a Ancestry tree. She married 1/11/1910 address 18 Disraeli Road Putney age 21 = 1889 it says Fredericks dad Henry is deceased,her dad William a builders foreman witnesses C Wood and Violet Wood.
25/6/1923 she married John Henry Wood it says he was a batchelor but he was a widow.Nellie age 32 = 1891. His dad Henry deceased her dad William a Builder doesn't say deceased on either of the certs. Witnesses A Cleaver,R Hiard?
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4 Sep 2012 19:21 |
Any clues from the witnessess at Nellie's marriages?
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4 Sep 2012 19:19 |
Sarah, the Maud and Nellie on the 1901 census are together on the 1891 census (with Nellie listed as Helen) that I posted above. The girls are with their parents John and Mary Ann in 1891. Looks like Mary Ann died in 1893 and john married Elizabeth Giddons in 1894.
I think the Maud in the 1891 census that you have posted is a different family.
To summarise here.
1891
Name: Maud Wootton Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Wootton Mother's Name: Mary Ann Wootton Gender: Female Where born: St Pancras, London, England
Civil parish: Chelsea Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: London Country: England
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Registration district: Chelsea Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Hospital Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 66 Folio: 112 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age John Wootton 43 Mary Ann Wootton 41 John Wootton 6 Walter Wootton 5 Maud Wootton 4 Helen Wootton 11/12
Births Jun 1890 Wootton Helen Chelsea 1a 338
Name: Helen Wootton Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1890 Baptism Date: 6 Jul 1890 Father's Name: John Wootton (Master Cook) Mother's Name: Mary Wootton Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea Holy Trinity Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Register Type: Parish Registers
Image says born Royal Hospital on 30 (looks like June?)
Deaths Jun 1893 Wootton Mary Ann 44 Chelsea 1a 275
Marriages Jun 1894 Davis Kate Chelsea 1a 592 Giddins Elizabeth Chelsea 1a 592 <<<<<<<<<< Riley Thomas Chelsea 1a 592 Wootton John Chelsea 1a 592 <<<<<<<<<<<
In 1901 Elizabeth is widowed and Maud and Nellie (Helen) are living with their stepmother. Their brother Walter is in the Workhouse.
Just in case it proves useful later.
Name: John Wootton Master Cook, Royal Hospital Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Spouse Name: Elizabeth Giddins Spouse Age: 42 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Apr 1894 Parish: Chelsea Christ Church Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Father Name: John Wootton, Bailiff (Deceased) Spouse Father Name: John Walls French Polisher (Deceased) Register Type: Parish Register
Residence for both Royal Hospital. Both widowed. Witnesses George J. Giddons and A. Arundell
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4 Sep 2012 14:38 |
Ah ok - see what you mean. Found this 1891 entry for a Maud Wootton which could be one of those girls - looks like that Nellie would have been born slightly later in the year so doesn't appear -
Name: Maud Wootton Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Elizabeth Wootton Gender: Female Where born: Islington, London, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity Town: London City County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington South West ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Piece: 152 Folio: 68 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Elizabeth Wootton 47 Elizabeth W Wootton 29 Stephen Wootton 17 Albert Wootton 7 Maud Wootton 2 Mother listed as a widow so perhaps Nellie was conceived and then the father died? That said, I looked up the 1881 census and she is also listed as Widowed then too so perhaps she had lots of illigitimate children.
I think this Nellie married Arthur Tremayne Gwilliam and appears on census with that surname so looks like that lead has come to an end.
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4 Sep 2012 14:08 |
As there isn't an obvious entry for Nellie 9with father William, a builder) on the 1891 or 1901 census records it is possible that her father died when she was too young to remember him or perhaps she was illegitimate and never knew him.
It is not uncommon for inaccurate details to be given for the father on a marriage entry.... often the details given are those of a grandfather or stepfather or entirely ficticious.
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4 Sep 2012 13:46 |
Nellie's father was William not John so that rules those ones out as well. William was listed as a Builder in both 1910 and 1923 marriages - no mention of whether he was deceased or not.
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4 Sep 2012 13:44 |
Marriages Jun 1894 Davis Kate Chelsea 1a 592 Giddins Elizabeth Chelsea 1a 592 <<<<<<<<<< Riley Thomas Chelsea 1a 592 Wootton John Chelsea 1a 592 <<<<<<<<<<<
Elizabeth is listed as widowed in 1901.
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4 Sep 2012 13:32 |
???
Deaths Jun 1893 Wootton Mary Ann 44 Chelsea 1a 275
1881
Name: John Wootton Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Husband (Head) (Head) Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Wootton Gender: Male Where born: Harrow, Middlesex, England [Lee, Buckinghamshire, England] Civil parish: Aldershot County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: "45th Regt Sherwood Forstrs" Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Sergt Master Cook Registration district: Farnham Sub-registration district: Frimley ED, institution, or vessel: 45th Regiment Sherwood Foresters Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 785 Folio: 20 Page Number: 34 Household Members: Name Age John Wootton 36 Mary Ann Wootton 30
Births Jun 1890 Wootton Helen Chelsea 1a 338
Name: Helen Wootton Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1890 Baptism Date: 6 Jul 1890 Father's Name: John Wootton (Master Cook) Mother's Name: Mary Wootton Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea Holy Trinity Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Register Type: Parish Registers
Image says born Royal Hospital on 30 (looks like June?)
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4 Sep 2012 13:14 |
Have you eliminated this one please?
1901
Name: Nellie Wootton Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Elizabeth Wootton Gender: Female Where born: London, England Civil parish: Southwark St George the Martyr Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: London Road ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 64 Piece: 369 Folio: 148 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Wootton 54 George Giddins 28 Annie Giddins 19 Frank Giddins 16 Maud Wootton 14 Nellie Wootton 10 This looks like those 2 girls in 1891?
Name: Maud Wootton Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Wootton Mother's Name: Mary Ann Wootton Gender: Female Where born: St Pancras, London, England Civil parish: Chelsea Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Chelsea Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Hospital Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 66 Folio: 112 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age John Wootton 43 Mary Ann Wootton 41 John Wootton 6 Walter Wootton 5 Maud Wootton 4 Helen Wootton 11/12 In 1901 Walter is in the workhouse - so perhaps his parents had died?
Name: Walter Wootton Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Gender: Male Where born: Athlone, Ireland Civil parish: Newington Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: St Peter, Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: Newington Workhouse Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 381 Folio: 114 Page Number: 13
What occupation did Nellie give for her father when she married please?
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4 Sep 2012 13:13 |
sorry worth a try
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Sarah
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4 Sep 2012 12:13 |
Unfortunately that Lillian shows up on the 1911 census with her sister Rosina - still listed as Wootton and single - Nellie was married by then so it's unlikely it's her.
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