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Right got Phyllis birth certificate.......and it shows that Lena was her mother, no father listed. What throw us was that Lena had only just turned 15 when Phyllis was born.


Now thats solved,
Thanks for all your help

Maud has never been mentioned by anyone in the family, so will have to do some asking around, just to see if she is one of our Bindings.

I will be even more interested now that I see you have Lena and her family actually included in your tree already !! ;-)

Can't wait!!! :-D

Dea Xxx

Good ! - do come back to this thread and post the details for us when it arrives.

Post on here please - do not start a new thread as we may need to refer back to details on here.

You will find it by clicking on 'My threads' to the left of this board.

Look forward to seeing the result.

Dea Xxx

ordered one 2 hrs ago

I think you are mis-reading again Sean.

We are not suggesting that Phyllis is the daughter of Dorothy or Natalie, or indeed, their mother Kate.

What has been suggested is the 'possibility' that Phyllis 'could' be the daughter of Lena, or of the other person who's details and family have also been posted, i.e. Maud ??

Of course, these are the only two possibles who are in Portsmouth on the 1911 census. - The 'mother' may have not even been in the area at that time, so the only way this can be soved is by getting the birth cert for Phyllis which will tell you for certain who her mother was.

Dea x

Sorry just reread, Meant to say that Kate was not the mother. In 1911 he was back in Portsmouth with his children alone. Phyllis is not the daughter of either Dorothy or Natalie as we know all their children.

It wasn't who Sean ???

I don't understand your post?

Dea x

Dea
I've researched George Binding and Yes he did came back from SA 1910/11. His wife Kate died in SA so we know it was not her.

It's all guesswork though - there are good reasons for suspecting both of these girls but we need to prove it!

It will probably end up being neither of them !

Dea Xxx :-D

Dea i think you should change your board name to "Madame Clouseau"! :-D

Yes, Maud does seem a good candidate for those very reasons Reggie but without the cert it will be impossible to know.

Dea x

You will note that Lena had a sister Dorothy and her other sister Natalie had the middle name of Gwendolyn ???.

If the 2 births found are to the same mother (the one we are seeking), then one was Dorothy (1916) and the other (1911) had the middle name of Gwendolyn. - Coincidence ?????

Dea x

I latched on to Maud as she was living away from 'home', although still with a family member, and was not recorded as having an occupation.

BUT......anything any of us posts is speculative...........the birth cert is absolutely essential

George's Army records (Lena's father) show him to be back on British soil on 1st February, 1911. - Plenty of time............... ;-)

Dea x

But who's to say the baby wasn't conceived in SA?

Could have passed morning sickness of as sea sickness!

Really need the cert.

It doesn't take long to 'have a fling' Rootgatherer ;-)

If the child were born towards the end of the December Quarter, it may only just have been conceived at the time the census was taken!

Mind you, the birth cert is essential here as the mother may not even have been in the Portsmouth area before the birth took place - she could well have travelled from anywhere.

Dea x

I wondered about that one too Dea. The thing putting me off was that the 1 year old son was born in South Africa so probably the family weren't long back in England.

I would have thought that Lena would also be a possible Reggie as she would have been almost 16 when the child was born? - Not unheard of for an 'unmarried mother' ?

1911:

BINDING, George Head Widower M 44 1867 General Labourer Weston S Mare Somerset VIEW
BINDING, Lena Daughter Single F 15 1896 Cardiff S Wales VIEW
BINDING, Lilian Daughter F 11 1900 Cardiff S Wales VIEW
BINDING, Dorothy Daughter F 9 1902 Cardiff S Wales VIEW
BINDING, Natalie Daughter F 5 1906 Pietermaritzburg Natal S Africa VIEW
BINDING, Roy Son M 3 1908 Pietermaritzburg Natal S Africa VIEW
BINDING, Leslie Son M 1 1910 Harrismith of State S Africa VIEW



Reference: RG14PN5573 RG78PN253 RD90 SD3 ED13 SN303


Address: 65 Craswell Street Landport Portsmouth

County: Hampshire


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Lena Margaret C Binding
Name: Lena Margaret C Binding
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1896
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 314

Dea x

1901 England Census

Name: Maud Binding
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Watchet, Somerset, England
Civil parish: St Decumans
Ecclesiastical parish: St Decumans
Town: Watchet
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England


Registration district: Williton
Sub-registration district: Williton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 2263
Folio: 31
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah I Morse 32
Alfred L Morse 8
Soloutha Morse 7
Annie E Morse 5
Maud Binding 12