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hi,i have a mary carr born 1913,charlotte muriel carr born 1916 and eleanor carr born 1919 all in newcastle-on-tyne but no parents.how do ifind these

Elaine - you'd need to buy the birth certificates. You can order from GRO
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

The records will give the mother's maiden name so you could try looking for a marriage on FreeBMD between Carr and the mother's surname.

EDIT: Are these three girls sisters?

yes their sisters and acousin called nora was adopted into the same family.she was born in 1923 so it would be about 1932 when this happened

Elaine - I'm struggling to find birth records for those three that all have the same mother's maiden name. Have you actually found their birth records.

Is Carr the name of the family that adopted them (either legally or otherwise) or is it the girls birth names?

Do you mean they were adopted in 1932? Seems odd, because Mary and Charlotte Muriel would be too old, I think, to be adopted.

no only nora would be adopted,the older 3 are carrs by birth

Elaine - why have you marked this as answered? We haven't got started yet!

I can't see any births that fit the given info.

Andy

i have the marrige entry for 1943 for charlotte muriel carr who married ralph fenwick and eleanor(mother-in-law married james davison in 1947

sorry i marked it as amswered by mistake

Elaine - if you go to your first post there should be a little box that says something like "mark this as unanswered", click on that to remove the completed indicator.

As Andy says, I'm struggling to find births that match.

(I see what you mean - Nora was adopted into the family with the three sisters)

Charlotte M's death record confirms the birth year you gave:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Charlotte Muriel Fenwick
Birth Date: 28 Nov 1916
Date of Registration: Dec 1995
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Register Number: E58C
District and Subdistrict: 0531E
Entry number: 54

There's this possible birth for Eleanor:

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Name: Eleanor Carr
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hansen
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 337

but this is a possible too:

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Name: Eleanor Carr
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hobbs
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1919
Registration district: Castle Ward
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 559

Castle Ward can cover parts of Newcastle, particularly Gosforth, Seaton Burn - those sort of areas. Whereabouts in Newcastle did they live?

Hang on, looks like this could be Mary with mmn Hobbs - did she have a middle name?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Mary E Carr
Mother's Maiden Name: Hobbs
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1913
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 188

Yes! They must have been from Gosforth or other parts north Newcastle

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Name: Eleanor Carr
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hobbs
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1919
Registration district: Castle Ward
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 559

This is the nearest marriage I can find, not too far away in Durham:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1913
Carr Arthur Hobbs Lanchester 10a 445
Hobbs Charlotte E Carr Lanchester 10a 445

Lanchester and Castle Ward were largely mining areas so it's a possible. Plus, Charlotte's name could have been passed down.

You really do need to get one of the girls birth certificates to check.

thank you have applied for eleanors birth and marriage certificate.will let you know the outcome.many thanks to you all

hi one mor thing as nora is adopted into the carr family is it possible her orignal name could be hobbs.trying to see which side of the family she orignally belonged to

Hi Elaine - do come back on this thread and let us know what's on those certificates.

It's hard to say what Nora's birth name was - depends on which side of the family she was a cousin.

There is this birth but it might just be a complete coincidence:

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Dec 1923
Hobbs Norah Pratt Lanchester 10a 575

Lanchester was where Arthur and Charlotte married ......

What else do you know about Nora?

all i know about nora is she was a cousin of the three carr sisters and her mother died when she was about nine years old.dont know anything about her father.there was other brothers and sisters in the durham area.she married a robert(bob) morris but dont have a date,possibly somewhere in the 60,s.too.old for her to start a family. she lost touch with her orignal family so i only know her with the carr sisters. she died in shiney row,houghton-le-spring tyne and wear on 25th august 2008.bob died many years ago date not known in berwick hills,middlesborough

now have norah hobbs born 1923,fathers name frederick hobbs mother hilda g f pratt before marriage in 1922.as the other three charlotte,mary and eleanor are all hobbs as well,its possible that the two fathers are cousins or brothers.waiting for girls birth certificates to confirm