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thank you all

Thanks for the update, Elaine. Do come back on here if you need any further help.

have just recieved eleanor carr,s and james davison,s marriage cert.,in fact i got 2.marriage took place 0n 5th april 1947 thanks for you help as i also have fathers christian names for both

thank you i,ve printed off what you have given me.correct ,it was the june quarter i,ll have another try to get certificate

Hello again Elaine - do you know for definite that Eleanor and James did marry? Where did you get July 1947 from? Is there a chance that they may have lived together and she took his name?

Or, could she have been married before?

EDIT:

This is the marriage, it's in the June quarter so they couldn't have married in July

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1947
Carr Eleanor Davison Nthmbld.S. 1b 845
Davison James Carr Nthmbld.S. 1b 845

The certificate should be able to be found quoting the correct quarter and references.

now have birth certificate for eleanor davison showing maiden name of carr.gro cannot find marriage certificate for me of eleanoe who married james davison in july 1947.can you suggest anything else i can try

am now in possession of eleanor carr,s birth certificate which fits.shows mother as charlotte elizabeth carr nee hobbs and her father arthur carr.thank you

thank you all.will now follow that info up

Names are the other way round but given the marriage location this is a possible for Nora's mum:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Fanny Hilda G Pratt
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1899
Registration district: Watford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 671

Would obviously need to be verified against marriage certificate.

Her parents married down south:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1922
HOBBS Frederick C Pratt Watford 3a 1190
Pratt Hilda G F Hobbs Watford 3a 1190

Elaine, looks like the info you've now found confirms that birth I posted.

This would be her marriage:

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Norah Hobbs
Spouse Surname: Morris
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1967
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 184

now have norah hobbs born 1923,fathers name frederick hobbs mother hilda g f pratt before marriage in 1922.as the other three charlotte,mary and eleanor are all hobbs as well,its possible that the two fathers are cousins or brothers.waiting for girls birth certificates to confirm

all i know about nora is she was a cousin of the three carr sisters and her mother died when she was about nine years old.dont know anything about her father.there was other brothers and sisters in the durham area.she married a robert(bob) morris but dont have a date,possibly somewhere in the 60,s.too.old for her to start a family. she lost touch with her orignal family so i only know her with the carr sisters. she died in shiney row,houghton-le-spring tyne and wear on 25th august 2008.bob died many years ago date not known in berwick hills,middlesborough

Hi Elaine - do come back on this thread and let us know what's on those certificates.

It's hard to say what Nora's birth name was - depends on which side of the family she was a cousin.

There is this birth but it might just be a complete coincidence:

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Dec 1923
Hobbs Norah Pratt Lanchester 10a 575

Lanchester was where Arthur and Charlotte married ......

What else do you know about Nora?

hi one mor thing as nora is adopted into the carr family is it possible her orignal name could be hobbs.trying to see which side of the family she orignally belonged to

thank you have applied for eleanors birth and marriage certificate.will let you know the outcome.many thanks to you all

This is the nearest marriage I can find, not too far away in Durham:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1913
Carr Arthur Hobbs Lanchester 10a 445
Hobbs Charlotte E Carr Lanchester 10a 445

Lanchester and Castle Ward were largely mining areas so it's a possible. Plus, Charlotte's name could have been passed down.

You really do need to get one of the girls birth certificates to check.

Yes! They must have been from Gosforth or other parts north Newcastle

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Name: Eleanor Carr
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hobbs
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1919
Registration district: Castle Ward
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 559

Hang on, looks like this could be Mary with mmn Hobbs - did she have a middle name?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Mary E Carr
Mother's Maiden Name: Hobbs
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1913
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 188

There's this possible birth for Eleanor:

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Name: Eleanor Carr
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hansen
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 337

but this is a possible too:

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
Name: Eleanor Carr
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hobbs
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1919
Registration district: Castle Ward
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 559

Castle Ward can cover parts of Newcastle, particularly Gosforth, Seaton Burn - those sort of areas. Whereabouts in Newcastle did they live?