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Here's a William coming back from Canada.

Name: William Winspear, occ Farmer
Birth Date: abt 1884
Age: 37
Port of Departure: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Arrival Date: 17 Jan 1921
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Pretorian
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Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 113969

Address he's going to is Beach View, Thorpe Street, Hartlepool.

Frederick, who died in 1946 was the uncle of Sarah Marion Hoggan i.e the brother of her mother Sarah Hoggan nee Winspear..

Maybe for William Winspear?? Not too sure as his occupation is given as a labourer and yours was a Railway Clerk in 1901?

Name: William Winspear
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Date of Arrival: 3 Jul 1908
Vessel: Empress of Britain
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Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4759

thanks u have helped you dont know what sarah winspears un married name was the one born 1854 and where she born as i havent got her maiden name she be my great great gran


thanks for your help

that is interseting my mum was born in west hartlepool in 1943


to sarah marion hoggan nee winspear must have know bro frederick was there


jennifer

Name: John Winspear
Birth Date: abt 1848
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1920
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Hartlepool
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 135

Name: Sarah A Winspear
Birth Date: abt 1854
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1924
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Hartlepool
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 274

Name: Frederick Winspear
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1946
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: West Hartlepool
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 979


Struggling to find deaths for any of the others in that area.

wow thanks your amazing can i ask do u know how to trace releatives that maybe emigrated to aussie

No, I don't need to look at your tree Jennifer. Now I know that Sarah and Robert came north of the border I know that we are looking at the correct family - just didn't want to lead you along the wrong branch road!

Marriages Dec 1876
CLARK Sarah Ann Hartlepool 10a 167 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Foster John Hartlepool 10a 167
Routledge Ann Hartlepool 10a 167
WINSPEAR John Hartlepool 10a 167 <<<<<<<<<<<<<


Births Dec 1877 Winspear Robert Hartlepool 10a 140

Births Dec 1878 WINSPEAR John George Hartlepool 10a 150

Births Mar 1881 WINSPEAR Mary Hartlepool 10a 157

Births Sep 1883 WINSPEAR William Hartlepool 10a 139

Births Jun 1886 Winspear Sarah Hartlepool 10a 145

Births Sep 1888 WINSPEAR Frederick Hartlepool 10a 123

Births Sep 1895 Winspear Alice Hartlepool 10a 158

well some were hartlepool bt then my gran whos mum winspear was edingburgh lol i go un tick im kinda new here to site using tools that is

jennifer you can look my tree if it helps

Jennifer, can you untick that box as it marks your query as answered and none of the other helpers will come in and add to the thread. Thanks.

EDIT

I am now chuckling at your request about Winspears "from the north" as those of us in Scotland would referred to them as being from the south!

Ahh! Thank you. that's more reassuring that we are looking at the correct family.

I couldn't see a death for Robert Hoggan but that will be in Scotland - so his death certificate will give the names of his parent's including his mother's maiden surname if the informant knew. We now know from Frederick Widspear's probate record that Robert had died before 1946.

sarah marion hoggan born 1912 edingburgh mother sarah hoggan nee winspear

sarah marion hoggan born 1912 edingburgh mother sarah hoggan nee winspear

yep you right took me yrs to trace my gran roots she sarah hoggan born scotland


married a fredderick lumley her mum was sarah hoggan and her dad was robert hoggan

Something not quite right here. There doesn't appear to be any births for Hoggan mmn Winspear - unless they were born outside England and Wales.

There are children born to this marriage

Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
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HOGAN Thomas Winspear Guisbro' 9d 1062



Spouse Mistranscribed?

Winspear Edith J Hogan Guisbro' 9d 1068

how do i attach piccy to my tree

thanks

jennifer

Looks like Stanley is the son of Frederick.

Marriages Jun 1913
Howard Maud M Winspear Hartlepool 10a 185
Winspear Frederick Howard Hartlepool 10a 185


Births Mar 1914 Winspear Frederick Howard Hartlepool 10a 355
Deaths Dec 1918 Winspear Frederick 4 Hartlepool 10a 328



Births Sep 1920 Winspear Stanley Howard Hartlepool 10a 280

ok got it the sarah you on about my great gran omg lol

sarah hoggan who my relative was still married in 1946
born 1912 died 1976