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Looking at the parish register, it is the right child - father was a gun maker which fits with later census.

The family were on 1871 census, (Joseph was 45, so a considerable variation in ages) but can't find them in 1891 but think father Joseph died in 1888. Annie was with Benjamin Read by 1901 and recorded as married, but then he was a widow in 1911 still living with step-daughter Lily (now Lamb)

According to one of the children's marriages Joseph Crabtree was deceased by Dec 1888, and there is a corresponding death in 1888 although again the age is out.

REALLY!

Also, oldest child from the 1881 census was born London - think this may be him

Joseph Richard Crabtree
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Feb 1865
Father's Name: Joseph Richard Crabtree
Mother's name: Ann Crabtree
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Matthias
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

really??? so william charles (aka william henry) was martried to rose gee? (they married in 1902) just want to confirm before telling my nan

Yup !!! :-D :-D

Dea Xxx

Spot on Dea, so William Charles was actually William Henry!

Looks like it is !!

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Rose E Crabtree
Name: Rose E Crabtree
Spouse Surname: Percy W J Wells
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1930
Registration district: East Preston
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 963

Birth dates match - we therefore have the correct ones!!!

Dea Xxx

Is this her death?


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Rose Ellen Wells
Name: Rose Ellen Wells
Birth Date: 6 Aug 1909
Date of Registration: Mar 2003
Age at Death: 93
Registration district: Oxfordshire
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Register Number: C03D
District and Subdistrict: 695/1C
Entry number: 261

Dea x

Looking at the census, I don't think the signature is the same as on his military record. I know it's rather strange, but maybe Rose had it in her head his middle name was Charles and she completed the census? The only time he has been recorded as William Charles is the marriage and 1911 census - the birth & death are for William Henry.

Can Rose Ellen's birth date be confirmed by your info ?

Do you know who she married or when or where she died?

Dea x

on my ancestry tree i have a 1911 cencus of william.

its says william charles crabtree and in 1911 he was 30 yrs old so would make his birth 1881 however i have 1878 and that he was born 12th aug. maybe that was a give or take date?? william was a mill carter.

So, in view of the military record I would think the 1881 census posted earlier (which I discounted due to the birth reg) is probably the right one.

Why did you think his middle name was Charles and where did you get the date of birth from please?

Dea x

hello,

thats the only info i have sorry. so he died aged 95!

rose ellen crabtree was my great nan so thats right.

Yep !! - I saw those details also !

We can do no more without Laura!

If that Rose Ellen matches her great nan then we have the correct one !

Dea x

Dea, it must be the right one, according to the record they married 18/11/1902 at Reading registry office.

In the military file, his wife is named as Rose (Gee) and he has daughter Rose Ellen dob 6/8/1909, and another child William Henry dob 21/2/1912 but he is crossed out - died 8/11/1914 - there is also that child's death cert on the record.

Must be the right one, so no idea where the middle name Charles came from??

I have just been looking at that death cert and those records too Flip - they do seem to be the one we are looking for ??

ALSO - Laura said he died in Wallingford and this is the only death | can come up with, which also fits 'that' William Henry !!!


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about William Henry Crabtree
Name: William Henry Crabtree
Birth Date: 20 Dec 1880
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1976
Age at Death: 95
Registration district: Oxford
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 20
Page: 2284

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Very strange!

We need more info from Laura!

Dea x

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
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Crabbtree Charles H Gee W.Derby 8b 350

Deaths Mar 1918 (>99%)
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Crabtree Charles H 0 W.Derby 8b 328

For some reason this death cert is attached to the military record for William Henry Crabtree - I'm just ploughing through the 42 pages to see if it is connected. William Henry, born Birmingham 1881 according to enlistment.

Laura, where did the date of birth come from - and when did he die?

thank you, i really appreciate it