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Richard's age on census image is unclear - Ancestry has him as 32 whereas FMP says 22!

If 22 is correct, then this could be his death?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Richard Davies
Name: Richard Davies
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1874
Age at Death: 25
Registration district: Swansea
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 524 (click to see others on page)

This was way before Arthur's birth which 'may' explain why no father was mentioned on cert?

It doesn't explain why her maiden name was not shown though?

Dea x

This looks likely for him on 1861 - the father is also a cabinet maker ??


1861 Wales Census about Richard Davies
Name: Richard Davies
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David Davies
Mother's Name: Harriet Davies
Gender: Male
Where born: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Swansea
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales


Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 16f
Household schedule number: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4105
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
David Davies 36 cabinet maker
Harriet Davies 34
John Davies 14
Richard Davies 12
David Llewellin Davies 6
Mary Llewellyn 63 Mother in law
Ezekiah Watkins 20 cousin


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 4105; Folio: 5; Page: 3; GSU roll: 543235.

Dea x

Baptism (Find My Past website)

Forenames:Mary Julia (born 19 Sept. 1870)
Surname:Davis
Baptism Year:1874
Baptism Month:Oct
Baptism Day:20
Place:Swansea, St James
County:Glamorganshire
Birth Year:1870
Birth Month:Sep
Birth Day:19
Fathers Forenames:Richard (Cabinet Maker)
Mothers Forenames:Julia
Page:19
Record source:Glamorgan baptisms transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

(also same time, Charlotte Harriette born 2 Nov. 1872, Alice Maude born 18 Sept 1874)

Chris :)


http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

(possible 1848 Birth, Julia, on above link)



Grooms Last Name:Roberts
Grooms First Name:John Henry (Collier)
Grooms Fathers First Name:Peter
Grooms Fathers Last Name:Roberts
Grooms Parish:
Grooms Age:19
Brides Last Name:Davies
Brides First Name:Charlotte Harriett
Brides Fathers First Name:Richard (Cabinet Maker. Deceased)
Brides Fathers Last Name:Davies
Brides Parish:
Brides Age:18
County:Glamorganshire
Place / Parish:Swansea, St James
Marriage Year:1891
Marriage Month:Jun
Marriage Day:10
Banns Year:
Banns Month:
Banns Day:
Page:83
Record source:Glamorgan marriages - Transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau
(witnesses, Llewellyn Davies, Annie Ellis)

marriage 1898.
Alice Maud Davies to William Alfred taylor
1901 William A taylor
Alice maud 1874 swansea.
William RICHARD Taylor 1898/9

1911 9 Pell Street swansea.
William Alfred 1871
Alice maud 1874
William Richard 1899
Married 13 year 1 chil.
Boarding with them.
Joseph Poole Davies 1881/2 Lenstype operator (Daily Post)died 1953 they married @ 1905.
Margaret Mary 1885
Doris JULIA 2/1/1906 marrie William J Williams 1936
ARTHUR Poole Davies 2/9/1908 died 1973
Alice Maud 1910. married David George Thomas in 1937.

Notice similarity in names.

1901 Swansea D11 >19
John kelly born India! Labourer
Julia Kelly born Stroud 1846 ish
Joseph Danes 1881 son (Davies) something to do with printing?

There is a marriage 1884 for Julia Davies and William kelly!!.

Joseph Poole Davies died 1953 Probate to Alice Maud Thomas wife of David George Thomas
£1124 14s 2d

Maryb.

Well done Ladies!

I just couldn't get the census image up on Ancestry to show Richard's occupation.

It looks like Arthur gave his mother's deceased husband's details on his marriage certificate. Possibly he thought that more "respectable" than no father's details.

So it seems that I do not know the father of Arthur Ernest, it is a fair assumption that Richard was dead well before Arthur was concieved which would make sense of the blank on the birth cert for Arthur. I think my family tree is now in need of serious revision from me. I must look at the suggested censuses 1881 Arthur/Julia Davies, and I think I may have to order one or two certificates to try to verify Julia's details. I admit I am only a full member of genes reunited, and I have sometimes struggled with the Free BMD website.

Thank you for all your research. Easy to get led up the wrong path :-)

I am still working through all the info given on the thread, but it is all looking very solid, with Julia Davies b abt 1848, I was definately on the wrong line before with Julia Matilda. The use of Davis on a couple of the census returns threw me, but on looking at the 1911 Julia Davis original record it does actually appear that Davies is written so an error when transcribed. Mary Julia Merchant went on to have 14 children, 10 alive in 1911! Thanks again.