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Pamela
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6 Feb 2013 04:51 |
Yes it would seem so . Thank you
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6 Feb 2013 03:34 |
This then could be Fanny making another trip to the UK .............. a little earlier than the others that I found!
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Miss Willow Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia Arrival Date: 25 May 1912 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Sydney [Melbourne] [Adelaide] [Colombo] [Plymouth] Ship Name: Osterley Search Ship Database: View the 'Osterley' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd Official Number: 128287
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Hospital Matron Permanent Residence:- Australia
and could this be her returning to Australia??????
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 a
Name: Miss Willow Gender: Female Departure Date: 8 Nov 1912 Port of Departure: London, England Destination Port: Sydney, Australia Ship Name: Orontes Search Ship Database: Search the 'Orontes' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Orient Line Official Number: 115707 Master: T Cox Walter
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travelling 2nd class, and going to Sydney. Permanent Residence:- Australia
No occupation given.
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Pamela
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6 Feb 2013 01:02 |
Emily had a teaching career in the South Australian government school system before transferring to the private sector. It would appear that she had that position to come to or she acquired immediately on arrival. Perhaps her passage was paid for by the government as an inducement to get the teachers the state needed. I hadn't considered how she got here. But then some one had had to pay for her sisters passages too - I had assumed this was Thomas Lucas.
Henry George Parker was a tailor although I think he was still a tailors cutter in 1883. Louise was working as a governess at the time. Fanny gave her occupation as "nanny" on Evelyn's marriage certificate but she later pursued a career in nursing in Sydney. She was to become the matron of the Royal North Shore Hospital I believe.
I am thinking there is something to this story that hasn't been told :-S
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6 Feb 2013 00:40 |
Wow! Thank you so much everyone. I started this search many many moons ago armed only with a very sketchy family story and my grandmothers date of birth.
I will attempt to answer your questions: No I don't have a copy of Thomas Lucas's will - thanks Sylvia - I will follow that up.
No Marie I don't have any idea as to where or when Thomas and Fanny married or met for that matter. Early Australian BMD records varied considerably from state to state. South Australian one are more notable for what they don't tell than what they do.
Gins, This is something I have wondered too but the cousin mentioned above was adamant that the girls were all Willows. I have a letter my g. aunt wrote to a member of the Lucas family who had requested information on Thomas and Fanny's family. She was of the belief that they didn't have any family. Although saying that, I did happen upon a death of an Blanche Fanny Lucas in the BMD in 1879 (born (1878) and died in Holborn). Whether this is of any significance or not I don't know but Henry George and Evelyn had a daughter named Blanche Emily who also died in infancy.
Stuart, This is interesting, I have been clutching at straws for a long time. Not having a maiden name is certainly an issue here.
Yes, Henry George did marry Louise after Evelyn died - this story can get very complicated very easily.
Gins, The New Zealand story could be a Willow one. I always wondered why a man with a very badly injured leg and apparent poor health from the deprivation experienced in South Africa would choose to attempt to go farming in New Zealand.
I have a photocopy of a photo said to be of John Willow. The photographer is Adams & Co., 63 Westbourne Grove, W. (Westminster?) In it he is holding a top hat and gloves. He is wearing a dark closely fitted double breasted buttoned up shirt coat possibly with velvet trim and a narrow neck tie held by a ring rather than knotted. The shirt collar covers the tie. He has short hair and a full but short bushy beard. Am I correct in assuming this is an 1860's fashion statement?
Thank you all once again
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SylviaInCanada
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5 Feb 2013 23:59 |
no ..
Clarissa Boast is still alive in 1891, with a new servant Harriet Payson. Clarissa died in 1893 (probate record)
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SylviaInCanada
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5 Feb 2013 23:56 |
Choccy
I saw that one last night, but then couldn't make sense of the fact that the OP says Emily travelled First Class to Australia in 1883
Unless, of course, someone died and left her a pile of money ....... eg, Mrs Boast :-)
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5 Feb 2013 18:07 |
Emily, on her death certificate, was born in Brighton (OP).
Could this be her?
1881
RG number: RG11 Piece: 822 Folio: 100 Page: 42 Reg. District: Croydon Sub District: Croydon Parish: Penge Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Hill Lodge, Centra Park, Penge County: Surrey
BOAST, Clarissa Head Widow F 70 1811 Income From Land Bristol, Somerset TOXON, Maria Daughter Single F 46 1835 London, Middlesex >>>>>WILLOW, Emily Servant Single F 24 1857 Domestic Servt >>>>> Horsham, Sussex
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Astra
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5 Feb 2013 18:00 |
Just found this
John Willow abt 1832 25 Dec 1863 Melbourne, Australia Plymouth Lincolnshire English
Clara Willow abt 1838 25 Dec 1863 Melbourne, Australia Plymouth Lincolnshire English
No children of the same name listed with them
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Gee
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5 Feb 2013 10:59 |
Im starting to think the children were born in NZ
Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923 Name: Mr Willow Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Age: 47 Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1876 Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia Departure Port: Otago, New Zealand Ship: Arawata Nationality: English Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923 Name: Mrs Willow Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Age: 44 Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1876 Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia Departure Port: Otago, New Zealand Ship: Arawata Nationality: English Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923 Name: Miss Willow Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Age: 21 Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1876 Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia Departure Port: Otago, New Zealand Ship: Arawata Nationality: English
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5 Feb 2013 10:54 |
So, did Henry George Parker marry Louise Eleanor after Evelyn died? (The ancestry tree that Sylvia posted had Evelyn's death as 1891)
Australia, Marriages, 1810-1980 re Evelyn Willow spouse Henry George Parker groom's name Henry George Parker groom's birth date 1851 groom's birthplace groom's age 29 bride's name Evelyn Willow bride's birth date 1858 bride's birthplace bride's age 22 marriage date 28 Aug 1880 marriage place Christ Church,North Adelaide,South Australia,Australia groom's father's name groom's mother's name
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Gee
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5 Feb 2013 10:48 |
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Name: Fanny Willow Death Date: 1936 Death Place: New South Wales Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Fanny Registration Year: 1936 Registration Place: North Sydney, New South Wales Registration number: 16460
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Gee
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5 Feb 2013 10:44 |
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Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 Name: Louise Eleanor Willow Father's Name: John Willow Spouse Name: Henry George Parker Spouse's Father's Name: William Richard Parker Marriage Date: 24 Jun 1893 Marriage Place: Adelaide Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia Page Number: 1120 Volume Number: 175
Huh :-S
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 Name: Evelyn Willow Father's Name: John Willow Spouse Name: Henry George Parker Spouse's Father's Name: W R Parker Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1880 Marriage Place: North Adelaide Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia Page Number: 724 Volume Number: 124 Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 Name: Evelyn Parker Death Date: 28 Oct 1891 Death Place: Semaphore Age: 31 Residence Place: Semaphore Registration Place: Port Adelaide, South Australia Page Number: 146 Volume Number: 197 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
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greyghost
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5 Feb 2013 10:30 |
Clutching at straws - the only Fanny Clara on the 1851 - born India plus ? a sister Eliza Sarah 1851 census transcription details for: Hampstead Square, Hampstead
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1492 Folio: 171 Page: 25 Reg. District: Hampstead Sub District: Hampstead Parish: Hampstead Enum. District: 8 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Hampstead Square, Hampstead County: Middlesex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FIRTH, Richard Anson Head Married M 60 1791 Organist Oxfordshire FIRTH, Charlotte Elizabeth Wife Married F 54 1797 Norwich FIRTH, Charlotte Daughter Unmarried F 27 1824 Hampstead, Middlesex FIRTH, Elizabeth Mary Daughter Unmarried F 21 1830 Hampstead, Middlesex CLARKE, Fanny Clara Pupil F 16 1835 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar India British Subject BROOKE, Julia Rose Pupil F 16 1835 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar France British Subject CLARKE, Eliza Sarah Pupil F 14 1837 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar India British Subject WIMBUSH, Maryanne Pupil F 14 1837 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar London, Middlesex GILES, Katherine Pupil F 11 1840 Residing As Part Of The Family Not A Scholar Hampstead, Middlesex SEWARD, Martha Servant Unmarried F 25 1826 Upper Servant Harrow on the Hill, Middlesex PICKETT, Hannah Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 Cook Great Bunted, Essex BANNARD, Eliza Servant Unmarried F 19 1832 Housemaid Brackley, Northamptonshire
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Gee
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5 Feb 2013 10:29 |
No Dea, it seems not!
We could do with some more info as the poster appears to have Emily' full DOB, maybe thats from the death record?
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Dea
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5 Feb 2013 10:20 |
Can anyone see any of the births for any of these children, or either of Fanny's marriages please?
Dea x
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Gee
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5 Feb 2013 10:19 |
Was Emily born a 'Lucas'
Births Mar 1860 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LUCAS Emily St Thomas 5b 73
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greyghost
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5 Feb 2013 10:12 |
Emily in 1861 as found by Flip
1861 census transcription details for: Baldock Lane, Aspenden, Buntingford
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 811 Folio: 31 Page: 22 Reg. District: Royston Sub District: 1 Buntingford Parish: Aspenden Enum. District: 2 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Baldock Lane, Aspenden, Buntingford County: Hertfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born WILLOW, Henry Head Married M 56 1805 Agricultural Labourer Ruitwash, Hertfordshire WILLOW, Maria Wife Married F 52 1809 Aspenden, Hertfordshire WILLOW, Emily Granddaughter Unmarried F 2 1859 Aspenden, Hertfordshire RATCHFORD, Charles Lodger Unmarried M 15 1846 Agricultural Labourer Throcking, Hertfordshire MOLE, Charles Lodger Unmarried M 12 1849 Agricultural Labourer Cottered, Hertfordshire
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Gee
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5 Feb 2013 10:10 |
This is the Ancestry version
1861 England Census
Name: Emily Wilson Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Aspenden, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Aspenden County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Registration district: Royston Sub-registration district: Buntingford ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 115 Piece: 811 Folio: 31 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Henry Wilson 56 Maria Wilson 52 Emily Wilson 2 Charles Ratchford 15 Charles Mole 12 Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 811; Folio: 31; Page: 22; GSU roll: 542704.
She's still with grandparents in 1871 and I think the name is 'Wilson'
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5 Feb 2013 10:05 |
There is an emily Willow on the 1861 census on family search, but I can't find it on Ancestry - maybe someone could check it out on FMP?
Emily Willow event: Census event date: 1861 gender: Female age: 2 relationship to head of household: Granddaughter birthplace: Aspenden, Hertfordshire record type: Household registration district: Royston sub-district: 1 Buntingford ecclesiastical parish: civil parish: Aspenden county: Hertfordshire
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5 Feb 2013 10:03 |
Civil Registration event: Death
Death reg from FMP - original says Fanny Clare (not that it will make much difference I don't suppose) So birth 1835/6 if age correct
Name: LUCAS, Fanny Clare Registration district: Kensington County: London Year of registration: 1879 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 43 Volume no: 1A Page no: 103
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