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It's a bit confusing that Sarah Jane's birthplace is given as Hereford in the 1911 census, but as Haydensbent, Shropshire in the 1901 census. Yet the records are definitely relating to my great grandmother as both censuses show the same address in Barry, Glamorgan.

It's very interesting that in the 1871 census Ann Bailey (then married to Joseph Bailey) has a lodger named Thomas White.

If she is widowed and then marries the same Thomas White , his age is about right for the 1881 census as is hers. However, the daughter Mary Ann Bailey who is aged 6 in 1871 cannot then be aged only 10 in 1881. Also, yet again the daughter in 1881 named Jane White rather than Sarah Jane White is listed as having been born in Staunton Lacey, Shropshire. I think I will definitely have to order my great grandmother's birth certificate to try to shed some light on a/ where she was born and b/ if the Ann Bailey (which I think is correct) is the same person as Ann White from the 1881 census.

Purely on the 1861 name of the granddaughter, I wonder if this is the marriage. You need more information before accepting this.

spouse:Elizabeth Preece

NameJoseph Bailey
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's NameElizabeth Preece
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date06 Feb 1826
Event PlaceSt Peter,Hereford,Hereford,England



Same goes for this marriage for Ann's parents. It needs more information.


parents:John Baker
spouse:Mary Meyrick

NameThomas Baker
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's NameMary Meyrick
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date1842
Event PlaceMarden, Hereford, England
Father's NameJohn Baker
Mother's Name
Spouse's Father's NameJames Meyrick

1861 census transcription details for: Lavels, Marden
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 1818
Folio: 116
Page: 2
Reg. District: Hereford
Sub District: 3 Burghill
Parish: Marden
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: Hereford
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Lavels, Marden
County: Herefordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BAILEY, Joseph Head Married M 57 1804 Railway Platelayer
Hereford
BAILEY, Elizabeth Wife Married F 57 1804
Hentland, Herefordshire
BAILEY, Joseph Son Unmarried M 23 1838 Labourer
Bodenham, Herefordshire
BAILEY, Robert Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Railway Porter
Marden, Herefordshire
PREECE, Mary A Granddaughter F 3 1858
Orleton, Herefordshire




1851 census transcription details for: Gratton Vern, Marden
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1977
Folio: 434
Page: 27
Reg. District: Hereford
Sub District: Burghill
Parish: Marden
Enum. District: 4B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Gratton Vern, Marden
County: Herefordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BAILY, Joseph Head Married M 45 1806 Shoe Maker
Bodenham
BAILY, Elizabeth Wife Married F 45 1806
Hentland, Herefordshire
BAILY, Mary Daughter F 18 1833 At Home
Bodenham
BAILY, John Son M 21 1830 Lab
Bodenham
BAILY, Margaret Daughter F 12 1839 At Home
Bodenham
BAILY, Robert Son M 17 1834 At Home
Marden
BAILY, Joseph Son M 10 1841 Ag Lab
Bodenham




1841 census transcription details for: Verne, Marden
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 419
Book/Folio: 1/19
Page: 7
Reg. District: Hereford & Dore
Sub District: Burghill
Parish: Marden
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Verne, Marden
County: Herefordshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BAILEY, Joseph M 37 1804 Herefordshire
BAILEY, Elizabeth F 37 1804 Herefordshire
BAILEY, Eliza F 13 1828 Herefordshire
BAILEY, John M 11 1830 Herefordshire
BAILEY, Harriot F 9 1832 Herefordshire
BAILEY, Mary F 7 1834 Herefordshire
BAILEY, Major M 5 1836 Herefordshire
BAILEY, Margaret F 3 1838 Herefordshire
BAILEY, Joseph M 2 1839 Herefordshire

Not finding a marriage to Thomas White, Charles Grimes or the mysterious Mr Black, I'm afraid.

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Anne Baker
Name: Anne Baker
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 Sep 1842
Christening Place: Marden, Herefordshire, England
Father's Name: Thomas Baker
Mother's Name: Mary



England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Ann Baker
Name: Ann Baker
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1842
Age: 20
Father's Name: Thomas Baker
Spouse's Name: Joseph Bailey
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Bailey
Marriage Date: 14 Aug 1862
Marriage Place: Marden, Herefordshire, England



1851 census transcription details for: Croft, Callow Lane, Marden
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1977
Folio: 433
Page: 25
Reg. District: Hereford
Sub District: Burghill
Parish: Marden
Enum. District: 4B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Croft, Callow Lane, Marden
County: Herefordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BAKER, Thomas Head Married M 32 1819 Ag Lab
Marden
BAKER, Mary Wife Married F 30 1821
Bodenham
BAKER, Anne Daughter F 8 1843 At Home
Marden
BAKER, George Son M 6 1845 At Home
Marden



1861 census transcription details for: Upper Paradise, Marden
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 1818
Folio: 110
Page: 14
Reg. District: Hereford
Sub District: 3 Burghill
Parish: Marden
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: Hereford
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Upper Paradise, Marden
County: Herefordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
PLAIN, William Head Married M 40 1821 Farmer Of 8 Acres
Sutton, Herefordshire
PLAIN, Sarah Wife Married F 45 1816 Farmer Wife
Bodenham, Herefordshire
HILL, William Plain Nephew Unmarried M 10 1851 Tailors Son
Hereford All Saints
>>BAKER, Ann Servant Unmarried F 18 1843 House Servant
Hereford Marden

Joseph's death?

Civil Registration event: Death
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Name: BAILEY, Joseph
Registration district: Tenbury
County: Worcestershire
Year of registration: 1871
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 31
Volume no: 6C
Page no: 134

Thomas White in the 1871 must be the same man she married?


1871 census transcription details for: Old Lock Cottage, Little Hereford
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 3039
Folio: 73
Page: 1
Reg. District: Tenbury
Sub District: Tenbury
Parish: Little Hereford
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Old Lock Cottage, Little Hereford
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BAILEY, Joseph Head M 31 1840 Herefordshire
BAILEY, Ann Wife F 28 1843 Herefordshire
BAILEY, Charles Son M 8 1863 Herefordshire
BAILEY, Mary Ann Daughter F 6 1865 Herefordshire
BAILEY, Alice Daughter F 6 1865 Worcestershire
>>WHITE, Thomas Lodger M 40 1831 Breconshire
WHITE, John Lodger M 15 1856 Herefordshire

????
England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Joseph Bailey
Name: Joseph Bailey
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1839
Age: 23
Father's Name: Joseph Bailey
Spouse's Name: Ann Baker
Spouse's Age: 20
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Baker
Marriage Date: 14 Aug 1862
Marriage Place: Marden, Herefordshire, England


Maureen

That definitely looks good Maureen. Having problems with 1891 and also finding marriages.

FMP's version with Ann born same place as the 1901.


1881 census transcription details for: Little Crumbland, Trelleck Grange
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 5220
Folio: 39
Page: 4
Reg. District: Chepstow
Sub District: Chepstow
Parish: Trelleck Grange
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Little Crumbland, Trelleck Grange
County: Monmouthshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WHITE, Thomas Head Married M 51 1830 Farmers 24 Acres
Brecknockshire, Wales
WHITE, Ann Wife Married F 39 1842
Marden, Herefordshire
WHITE, Alice Daughter Single F 15 1866
Henbury, Worcestershire
WHITE, Annie Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Staunton Lacey, Shropshire
WHITE, Jane Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Staunton Lacey, Shropshire
WHITE, Clara Daughter Single F 3 1878
Trelleck Grange, Monmouthshire
WHITE, Tom Son Single M 0 1881
Trelleck Grange, Monmouthshire

1871

Name: Ann Bailey
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph Bailey
Gender: Female
Where born: Mardon, Herefordshire, England
Civil parish: Little Hereford
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Tenbury
Joseph Bailey 31
Ann Bailey 28
Charles Bailey 8
Mary Ann Bailey 6
Alice Bailey 5
Thomas White 40
John White 15
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3039; Folio: 73; Page: 1; GSU roll: 838839.

Maureen

Good thinking,Liz!!

How about:

1881

Name: Jane White
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas White
Mother's Name: Ann White
Gender: Female
Where born: Staunton Lacey, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Trelleck Grange
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Little Crumbland

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Chepstow

Thomas White 51
Ann White 39
Alice White 15
Annie White 10
??Jane White 7
Clara White 3
""Tom White (Thomas GRIMES in 1901?)
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5220; Folio: 39; Page: 4; GSU roll: 1342258.


Maureen

Whilst looking for Thomas Grimes, 1881 from 1901 census, who I still can't find, I came across this. Could this be Ann White?



1901 census transcription details for: 34, Caerleon Road, Newport
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4960
Folio: 186
Page: 2
Reg. District: Newport
Sub District: Newport
Parish: Newport
Enum. District: 42
Ecclesiastical District: St Johns Maindee
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 34, Caerleon Road, Newport
County: Monmouthshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GRIMES, Charles Head Married M 42 1859 Dock Navvy
Halbridge, Dorsetshire
GRIMES, Ann Wife Married F 59 1842
Morden, Herefordshire
GRIMES, Minnie Daughter Single F 18 1883
Devodean, Monmouthshire
OLDING, Clara Daughter Married F 23 1878
Devodean, Monmouthshire
OLDING, Thomas Son-In-Law Married M 29 1872 Dock Navvy
Frome, Somersetshire
OLDING, Lilian Grand Daughter F 0 (5 MOS) 1901
Cadoxton, Glamorganshire
REES, William Visitor Single M 25 1876 Dock Labourer
Newport, Monmouthshire



EDIT MInnie married William.


1911 census transcription details for: 6 Burlington St Barry DK
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN32187 RG78PN1849 RD588 SD6 ED10 SN106
Reg. District: Cardiff
Sub District: St Nicholas
Parish: Barry
Enum. District: 10
Address: 6 Burlington St Barry DK
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
REES, William Charles Son M 6 1905 Barry Glam
REES, William Head Married M 35 1876 Dock Labourer Newport Mon
REES, Minnie Wife Married
9 years F 28 1883 Chepstow Mon

1901 with the birth information given by poster.


1901 census transcription details for: 49, Bassett Street, Barry
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4992
Folio: 118
Page: 42
Reg. District: Cardiff
Sub District: St Nicholas
Parish: Barry
Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: Cadoxton Juxta Barry
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 49, Bassett Street, Barry
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TEW, William Head Married M 30 1871 Labourer In Ship Yard
Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
TEW, Sarah Jane Wife Married F 27 1874
Haydensbent, Shropshire
TEW, Charles Son Single M 9 1892 School
Barry Dock, Glamorganshire
TEW, William Son Single M 6 1895 School
Barry Dock, Glamorganshire
TEW, Minnie Daughter Single F 1 1900
Barry Dock, Glamorganshire
GRIMES, Thomas Boarder Single M 20 1881 Stationary Engine Driver
Trellech Grange, Monmouthshire
REES, Frederick Boarder Single M 27 1874 Labourer In Ship Yard
Pontypool, Monmouthshire
MORRIS, Benjamin Boarder Single M 33 1868 Labourer In Ship Yard
Peterstow, Herefordshire

Getting a birth certificate for Sarah jane should give you her mothers maiden name...



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Births Mar 1874 (>99%)
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White Sarah Jane Ludlow 6a 565

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Is this her birth ??? Hopefully it is the right one


Regards Vera

I missed the point about Joseph Bailey's marriage to Ann White - he obviously could not have married her the same year she was born. I need to look at my information again and check if I've made a mistake here.

Sarah Jane's mother was indeed Ann White and she married a Joseph Bailey. I think, however, that Ann White was married four times as I was always told that my great great grandmother (Grandma Grimes was Sarah Jane's mother). Firstly to a Mr White, then presumably to Joseph Bailey, then to a Mr Black and finally to a Mr Grimes. She wasn't a black widow though - she outlived the first three and died six months before the last one. It looks like my great grandmother was the child of Ann White's first marriage, not the one to Joseph Bailey who must have been her second husband. I need to find Ann White's maiden name somehow - any suggestions as I'm quite new to all of this.

According to the 1911 census (which is the correct record as my grandmother Minnie lived at the address shown after her parents died and I also lived there until I was three years old), Sarah Jane was then 38 (she married William Tew), so she would have been born c. 1872. If Ann White was born in 1850, she would have been 22 when she had my great grandmother. It would have been quite acceptable for her mother, Ann White to have been born in 1850 and this information came from my great aunt who researched family history by going round the various parish registers.

The marriage of William Tew in Cardiff 1890 is the right one I believe because of where it is registered and it fits in with their ages.

New poster - friendly message on how to return to thread sent. :-)

Been trying to find anything on Ann White....Sarah Janes mother...
found this marriage..

Although if she had been born in 1850 she would have been too young.....How do you know she was born about 1850?



Marriages Sep 1862 (>99%)
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Bailey Joseph Hereford 6a 799
Baker Ann Hereford 6a 799

Anymore you can add please?


Regards Vera

Just to clarify William was born 1869, not 1871:

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
TEW William TEW TEW GREGORY 1869 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Cheltenham 63 63

We know his mother was Fanny Gregory from your thread which mentions his parents:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1323722

(William's not covered on that thread)

1891 ??? I am sure this is them



Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
TEM, William Head Married M 21 1870 Contractors Labourer
Monmouthshire, Chiltham VIEW
TEM, Sarah Jane Wife Married F 19 1872
Ludlow, Herefordshire VIEW
Piece: 4375
Folio: 20
Page: 34
Registration District: Newport
Civil Parish: St Woollos
Municipal Borough: Newport
Address: 44, Robert Street, St Woollos, Newport
County: Monmouthshire



Regards Vera