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Could someone have a look at this please?
My husband's granddad had 2 brothers and a sister,or so it was thought.
I think she might have been adopted though.
This is what I have...
Charles Johns born 1859 and wife Annie born 1861 are on the 1901 census living in Plymouth Devon with sons Ernest,Charles and William.(Sons births are accounted for)
In 1911 Charles and Annie appear in Fulham with a 'boarder' Mary Luscombe age 9 ,born in Plymouth.(They later moved back to Devon)
There is a Mary Luscombe born in Plymouth in 1902,so this might be the one.??
My mother in law would talk about her Aunt May Johns, who lived in Plymouth and a May Johns died in 1981.
I believe this is Mary Luscombe as I can't find any evidence of Charles and Annie having a daughter named May.
Any opinions please!!

Not quite sure what you're asking.........probably my fault

The 1981 death cert should record the woman's birthplace.............and maiden name, if she was married

What's the DOB as per the death record?

It would help if you posted it on here for us to see.....................

Is this the birth?

You didn't mention a second forename.............

Births Sep 1902 (>99%)
Luscombe Mary Alexandra Plymouth 5b 215

This one was born before end of March 1902, if age is accurate

1911 census


Person: LUSCOMBE, Mary Address: 4 Norland Gardens
Cost


JOHNS, Charles Head Married29 years M 53 1858 Fitter Devon Torgnay VIEW
JOHNS, Annie Wife Married F 50 1861 Devon Torgnay VIEW
LUSCOMBE, Mary Boarder Single F 9 1902 Devon Plymouth

Number of children born in marriage = 3

I doubt she produced any more.............

Possibly related if this marriage if George Johns is related to Charles:-

Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
Johns George Plymouth 5b 485
Luscombe Mary Jane Plymouth 5b 485

Reggie
I don't have the death cert. so do not know the DOB. I am not sure it is the right person yet.
I am really still a bit confused about this.The family say she was a sister,but I can't seem to find a birth for a May Johns.
I just wanted an idea of what to do to find out for sure.
I thought of ordering the birth cert for Mary Luscombe,but it won't really help me apart from giving that lady's parents who I probably wouldn't know anyway..
May never married either, so no cert there to help
Jany

Charles and his wife could have taken in the girl, and changed her surname, but there was no legal adoption until the mid-1920's

??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about May Alexandra Johns Name: May Alexandra Johns
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1903
Registration District: Plymouth
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 223

I can't see the death to which you refer, which is why I asked you to post it..........

The DOB is on the INDEX after 1969

Marriages Sep 1931 (>99%)
Johns May A Crocker Plymouth 5b 614

AND...................

Death

Name: CROCKER, May A
Registration district: Plymouth
County: Devon
Year of registration: 196
7Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:64
Volume no: 7A
Page no: 653

Reggie,
Thank you for posting the birth.I didn't know of May having a middle name, but she could have done.
Yes,that is the family in 1911. So the 3 boys are the only natural children Annie had.Also,she was getting on a bit by then!
TootyFruity
Thank you for that marriage.I have not come across George (as yet) but it might well be a connection

And the 1981 death??????????

The birth of the May i posted appears to belong to this family.........

Funny that a relative is Richard Luscombe!!

Household transcription
1911 census
Person: JOHNS, May
Address: 10 Corporation Dwellings Looe St Plymouth

JOHNS, George Head Married21 years M 39 1872 Fish Cuarer Devon Plymouth VIEW
JOHNS, Mary Jane Wife Married F 39 1872 Devon Plymouth VIEW
JOHNS, Elisabeth Daughter Single F 20 1891 Cleaner Devon Plymouth VIEW
JOHNS, William Son Single M 19 1892 Labourer Calldomer Rope Walk Devon Plymouth VIEW
JOHNS, Barty Son Single M 15 1896 Labourer Contractor Devon Plymouth VIEW
JOHNS, May Daughter F 9 1902 School Devon Plymouth VIEW
JOHNS, Freddy Son M 7 1904 School Devon Plymouth VIEW
JOHNS, Alfred Son M 5 1906 School Devon Plymouth VIEW
LUSCOMBE, Richard Relative Widower M 75 1836 VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 12991
Reference: RG14PN12991 RG78PN749 RD276 SD3 ED15 SN201
Registration District: Plymouth
Sub District: Plymouth South West
Enumeration District: 15
Parish: Plymouth
Address: 10 Corporation Dwellings Looe St Plymouth
County: Devonshire

Edit: This is the couple that TootyFruity posted the marriage for.

I have been trying to find the death,. I can't find it so I think maybe someone told me it and it is not right. I do know that May lived to an old age , died in Devon and never married. so the Crocker marriage is out..
The May who is the daughter of George seems to be a different one to the one Annie /Charles had.. but the Luscome connection is odd though..
I think I need to fond more bits from the family as wahat I have is too vague..
Thank you for your help

The Johns/Crocker marriage is the Daughter of George and Mary Jane re the 1911 census i posted.

These are the ONLY deaths in DEVON for MAY Johns

JOHNS May Totnes Devon 1962 Oct-Nov-Dec AGE 69

JOHNS May Devon Central Devon 1972 Apr-May-Jun BORN 28 April 1907

JOHNS May Elizabeth Torbay Devon 1976 Jul-Aug-Sep BORN 1 May 1913

Thank you... Then if what I am told about My May is correct, then she is not that May Johns. So it looks more likely that she was Mary Luscombe.
Still seems funny that they have a relative named Luscombe !

BUT.........this looks interesting

Death

Name: JOHNS, Mary Alexandra
Registration district: Torbay
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1981
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Date of Birth:9 August 1902
Volume no: 21
Page no: 2508

perhaps your m-i-l really meant MARY..................

Reggie
Thank you.. none of them appear to be May..if what I have been told is correct..
This is confusing. I think I need to discount the things the family have told me and go back to square 1 using the evidence of the dates you have provided..
None of those birth dates apply to Mary Luscombe.. I am going to try to contact my sister in law to find out what else she knows/ addresses etc and maybe she can rethink the death.
Thank you all so much for your help

I posted the Crocker marriage and the woman's death to eliminate the 1903 birth..................