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Wisechild
Thank you..I think that might have been the case.My husband still refers to her as May

May was often used as an abbreviation of Mary.
Perhaps that was how she was known to her family.

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PricklyHolly
That is great...As I said,I don't have anyone in the family who can help with info..
It would be nice to find out who this person is and if they would help.
I am just totally stuck until I can find births etc for Annie and Chas/Wm.
I will pm you with email address.

There is a member on Ancestry that has this family in his tree.

According to information........Annie Marie Roger's parent's were William Rogers born 1794 New York USA and Catherine Walker born 1824 USA.

If you would like me to contact the tree owner on your behalf to ask if he would be willing to share information with you then let me know.

If he is willing, i can then forward on your email address.

Prickles.

Flip
Thank you.. I know very little about this family and no one seems to have much information to share with me.None of them are interested.,apart from my husband.
To be honest,if you live in Devon 'up north' could be London!
There is only one 'old' member of the family left and she doesn't know much. She seems to think Annie was from London as she didn't have a Devon accent but isn't certain.
I would like to find out more, but not sure if I ever will.

That's unusual for no occupation to be quoted for their fathers - even if deceased the marriage records usually state a father's occupation.

I know you are doubtful about William/Charles ancestry, but just trying to find Annie Maria Rogers with fathers name William is hopeless without more info. There are just too many Annie's with father William.

How much store do you place in family gossip about William being form "up north"? It's just earlier I found a possible (born Devon) living in Liverpool with his widowed mother, although I discounted him at the time.

What were both their father's occupations on that marriage? And who were the witnesses?

Do you know Annie's maiden name?

I see Father Charles appears as William on the 1891 census.

1891 England Census
about Charles Johns Name: Charles Johns
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Johns
Mother's Name: Annie Johns
Gender: Male
Where born: Notting Hill, London, England

Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-registration District: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 421
Folio: 41
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
William Johns 32 (Plumber)
Annie Johns 31
Ernest Johns 7
Charles Johns 4
William Johns 3

Do you have Charles and Annie's marriage details?

Yes, I think it might give me more info about the whole family!

I would be inclined to purchase that birth cert too Jany.

I get the feeling she is somehow connected to George Johns and Mary Jane Luscombe.

Kath
Thank you.I think the one Reggie posted it the right one for my May/Mary as the birth year matches up.(1902)
I think I will get the birth cert for Mary Luscombe as it seems she is the one who was the 'sister' and it would be ggod to know who her parents were. Might explain why she was with the Johns family

Could this be the death you were told about:-

Name: JOHNS, Mary (not May)
Registration district: Honiton
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1981
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Date of birth: 11 December 1916
Volume no: 21
Page no: 1181

Kath. x

Reggie
I just saw your latest post.That looks really good.
That would tie in with the death year I had been given.
Maybe it was m-i-l's funny accent!
Just looked, the DOB also ties in with Mary Alex Luscombe's birth registration.!
I think it is the same lady
Thank you very much

I posted the Crocker marriage and the woman's death to eliminate the 1903 birth..................

Reggie
Thank you.. none of them appear to be May..if what I have been told is correct..
This is confusing. I think I need to discount the things the family have told me and go back to square 1 using the evidence of the dates you have provided..
None of those birth dates apply to Mary Luscombe.. I am going to try to contact my sister in law to find out what else she knows/ addresses etc and maybe she can rethink the death.
Thank you all so much for your help

BUT.........this looks interesting

Death

Name: JOHNS, Mary Alexandra
Registration district: Torbay
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1981
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Date of Birth:9 August 1902
Volume no: 21
Page no: 2508

perhaps your m-i-l really meant MARY..................

Thank you... Then if what I am told about My May is correct, then she is not that May Johns. So it looks more likely that she was Mary Luscombe.
Still seems funny that they have a relative named Luscombe !

These are the ONLY deaths in DEVON for MAY Johns

JOHNS May Totnes Devon 1962 Oct-Nov-Dec AGE 69

JOHNS May Devon Central Devon 1972 Apr-May-Jun BORN 28 April 1907

JOHNS May Elizabeth Torbay Devon 1976 Jul-Aug-Sep BORN 1 May 1913

The Johns/Crocker marriage is the Daughter of George and Mary Jane re the 1911 census i posted.