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Following on from Chris's post, Bessie Ellen is still at the same address in 1934 but James Fraser Wilson is not recorded there.

So did he get together with Hannah in 1933/34, which would make her about 32 at the time - so young enough for 3 children. He left it a bit late though must have been 44 or so when they hooked up.

This is great info.Thank you to everyone for hepling and your time.much appreciated.

Probate gives fathers full name:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about Thomas Taylor Wilson

Name:Thomas Taylor Wilson

Probate Date:19 Feb 1877

Death Date:18 Jan 1877

Death Place:Cambridgeshire, England

Registry:Peterborough

Probate to Joanna Wilson widow

Possible for his father in 1881 - occupation would explain how he and Bessy met (but you really need his marriage cert to get his father's name. Notice his brother John's middle initial:


1881 England Census
Name:John J. Wilson
Age:21
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1860
Relationship to Head:Son
Mother:Joanna Wilson
Where born:Scotland
Civil Parish:March
County/Island:Cambridgeshire
Occupation:Grocers Assistant
Registration District:North Witchford
Sub-registration District:March
Joanna Wilson 55 b Scotland, widower
James F. Wilson 23 b Scotland
John J. Wilson 21 b Scotland
Isabella T. Wilson 16 b March
Edward Thos Wilson 14 b March

In March in 1871 - with father:

Thomas T Wilson 39, bookseller and Stationer, b Carnworth, Lanarkshire (transcription says Lancashire, but it is Lanarkshire on the image.)
Joanna Wilson 44 b Edinburgh
James F Wilson 13 b Edinburgh
John J Wilson 11 b Edinburgh
Isabella T Wilson 6
Edward T Wilson 4
Elizabeth Jackson 21

You will need to use scotlandspeople to find his birth and parents' marriage. His birth cert will give his parents' date and place of marriage.

Marriages Jun 1912 (>99%)
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Fielder William H Wilson Brentford 3a 362
WILSON Bessie E Fielder Brentford 3a 362

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: James Fraser Wilson
Year: 1927
County or Borough: Lambeth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Lambeth
Street Address: 11 Brading Road.
(also, Bessie Ellen Fielder)

(if relating)

Chris :)

edits (at same address, 1931, 32, 33, Bessie Ellen also)

Bessie In 1881:

1881 England Census
about Bessy Nurse
Age:16
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1865
Relationship to Head:Apprentice
Gender:Female
Where born:Stoke Ferry, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish:Mundford
County/Island:Norfolk
Country:England
Occupation:Grocers Apprentice

Possible marriage for James and Bessie:


Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)
HIGGS Elizabeth Lambeth 1d 809 Scan available - click to view
*****NURSE Bessie Ellen Lambeth 1d 809 Scan available - click to view
Whiskard Reginald Lambeth 1d 809 Scan available - click to view
******WILSON James Lambeth 1d 809 Scan available - click to view

Yes thats her. She died March 1988 and was born 1902. Thank you..

So this is her death, and children registered under Wilson/Paul?
Hannah Wilson
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1902
Date of Registration: Mar 1988
Age at Death: 85
Registration District: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 710

Yes, James Wilson is a common. Name, thats why i wasnt sure which one he was. But the drapery business clinches it for sure. His partner was Hannah Paul, born 1902, from Denver Norfolk. We have found her and her family but no marriage record for them...

Found him on ancestry, just hover over the name and it displays the summary - I was looking for a shop worker of some sort, and probably a boarder as he wasn't with his mother.

The 1911 is for James Wilson and birth year of 1888 from Surrey.

So if you were looking for James Fraser Wilson born 1890 from London, you would not have found him.

It is the shop walker, drapery that is presumably the clincher, as there are many James Wilsons around.

Can i ask how you found him on the 1911 census? I couldnt find him last night. I presumed he had left home and was lodging somewhere by age 21. Im now going to try and find where in Scotland his father came from.. thanks again..jane.

If you let us have his "wife's" name as Pat asked, we may find a marriage - you never know, multiple pairs of eyes! ;-)

Thank you to all of you for your help, it is much appreciated. My mother in law will be thrilled. His death cert got thrown away when her mum died and their flat was cleared out. This is him as he worked in the drapery haberdashery trade for years, thats where he met his wife, she was from Norfolk. But, as i say, there is no talk or record of them actually getting married.ans all we knew was he came from London and met her in the west end. Could have been anywhere in London. Thank you all..

Think this may be him, still single:

James Wilson
Age in 1911:23
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1888
Relation to Head:Boarder
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Surrey, England (Forest Hill on image)
Civil Parish:Fulham
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street Address:66 Clonmel Rd, Fulham
Marital Status:Single
Occupation:SHOP WALKER
egistration District:Fulham
Registration District Number:3
Sub-registration District:South Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel:1
Piece:338
Household Members:
Name
Age
Hubert W Churchill 29 (shop assistant, drapery)
Kathleen J L Churchill 23
Josephine W M Churchill 1
James Wilson 23 (shop walker, drapery)

Could you say who his 'wife' was?
Thank-you

On second thoughts, the youngest child could be Marj?

Bessie Ellen Wilson
Age in 1911: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stoke Ferry, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Ealing
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 63 Coldershaw Rd,West Ealing W
Marital Status: Single (XX states widow on image)
Occupation: House Keeper
Registration District: Brentford
Registration District Number: 128
Sub-registration District: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household Schedule Number: 138
Piece: 6905
Household Members:
Name Age
William Henry Fielder 57
Bessie Ellen Wilson 46
Marjory Wilson 16

Bessie has had 4 children, 1 had died.

James F Wilson
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Wilson
Mother's Name: Bessie E Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, London, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels, Christchurch, and St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Lewisham
Sub-registration District: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 279
Piece: 556
Folio: 53
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
James Wilson 50 (Born Scotland) commercial traveller, drapery
Bessie E Wilson 36 (Stone Ferry, Norfolk)
Dorothy Wilson 13 (Dulwich)
James F Wilson 11
Harry Wilson 6 (Brixham) - but this is a girl, I think Mary

James F Wilson
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Wilson
Mother's Name: Bessie E Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviours
Town: Forest Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Lewisham
Sub-registration District: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 525
Folio: 155
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
James Wilson 40
Bessie E Wilson 26
Dorothy Wilson 3
James F Wilson 1

James Fraser Wilson
Age:11
Birth Date:12 Dec 1889
School:Hither Green School
Borough:Lewisham
Admission Date:2 Dec 1901
Parent:James

Address looks like 64 Laleham Road - but not clear

Notes:
Hither Green School (0665) opened in 1885

Reference Number:
LCC/EO/DIV07/HIT/AD/002