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4 Sep 2013 00:05 |
Going back to the Grandchild in the 1911 census.......
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Frederick Charles Kates Name: Frederick Charles Kates Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1903 Registration District: Reigate Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 203
I looked for any Kates in the 1911 census and found this.......
1911 England Census about Lizzie Kates Name: Lizzie Kates Age in 1911: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: Assistant Gender: Female Birth Place: Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Reigate County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: 38 Glovers Road, Reigate Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: Laundrymaid Registration District: Reigate Registration District Number: 37 Sub-registration District: Reigate ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household Schedule Number: 249 Piece: 3216 Household Members: Name Age James Taylor 47 Emily Taylor 43 Lily E A Taylor 15 Ethel H Taylor 11 Elsie L Taylor 3 Alice Amy Snook 36 Ernest John Snook 34 William Arthcolm Snook 28 Lizzie Kates 36 >>>>>>>Widow Sarah Benson 22
You will see from the 1881 census that David has a daughter Elizabeth born 1876.
(I can't spot a birth/baptism record for her)
Here she is in 1891....... 1891 England Census about Elizabeth A Byde Name: Elizabeth A Byde Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Fleet, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Sandhurst Ecclesiastical parish: Sandhurst Town: Sandhurst County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Easthampstead Sub-registration District: Sandhurst ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1008 Folio: 51 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age William G Hambridge 35 Deborah Hambridge 35 William J T Hambridge 9 Nonica D Hambridge 8 Harry G Hambridge 8 Lois E Hambridge 5 Bernard J Hambridge 4 Elizabeth A Byde 14
(I have yet to find her Elizabeth in 1901)
I looked for a Byde/kates marriage between 1891 and 1911 and came up with this.....
Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%) Kates Charles William Reigate 2a 447 Ryde Elizabeth Ann Reigate 2a 447
This made me wonder if "Ryde" was an error and it should in fact read "Byde"
I then looked to see if i could find a death registered for a Charles Kates between 1903 and 1911.
Deaths Dec 1907 (>99%) KATES Charles 31 Reigate 2a 122
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Charles William Kates Name: Charles William Kates Gender: Male Christening Date: 25 Jun 1876 Christening Place: Southborough, Kent, England Father's Name: Charles Jones Kates Mother's Name: Ann
1901 England Census about Charles W Kates Name: Charles W Kates Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Southborough, Kent, England Civil Parish: Reigate Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Reigate Sub-registration District: Reigate ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 190 Piece: 628 Folio: 75 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Charles W Kates 24 (Groom and Domestic)
Of course the only way to be certain would be to purchase a copy of Frederick's birth cert........ but it looks good to me.
Elizabeth remarried in 1917...
Marriages Sep 1917 (>99%) Barnard Alfred Kates Reigate 2a 484 Kates Elizabeth A Barnard Reigate 2a 484
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England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Elizabeth A Barnard Name: Elizabeth A Barnard Birth Date: abt 1877 Date of Registration: Dec 1940 Age at Death: 63 Registration District: Surrey South eastern Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 1292
Surrey, England, Burials, 1813-1987 about Elizabeth Ann Barnard Name: Elizabeth Ann Barnard Birth Year: abt 1877 Burial Age: 63 Burial Date: 14 Dec 1940 Abode: 23 St Johns Road, Reigate. Archive Provided Parish: Reigate, St Mary Parish as it Appears: Reigate Reference Number: 6909/1/23
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4 Sep 2013 10:07 |
England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Frederick C Kates Name: Frederick C Kates Spouse Name: Annie E Mansell Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1931 Registration District: Reigate Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 553
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5 Sep 2013 11:22 |
David and Annie's son Albert who appears in the 1911 census....
Mistranscribed as "Bide" on his birth registration...
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Albert Bide Name: Albert Bide Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1894 Registration District: Hartley Wintney Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 174
England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Albert Byde Name: Albert Byde Spouse Name: Annie E Burt Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919 Registration District: Maidenhead Inferred County: Berkshire Volume Number: 2c Page Number: 1343
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Albert Byde Name: Albert Byde Birth Date: abt 1894 Date of Registration: Dec 1939 Age at Death: 45 Registration District: Maidenhead Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 1064
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Albert Byde Name: Albert Byde Probate Date: 19 Feb 1940 Death Date: 4 Dec 1939 Death Place: Berkshire, England Registry: Oxfordshire, England Of 4 Council Cottages, Littlewick, Berkshire...died at Ray-Mill Road, East Maidenhead Berkshire.
To: Annie Elizabeth Byde widow.
Effects: £285 8s 2d
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5 Sep 2013 11:27 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Annie Elizabeth Burt Name: Annie Elizabeth Burt Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1893 Registration District: Cookham Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 417
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Annie Elizabeth Byde Name: Annie Elizabeth Byde Birth Date: 7 May 1893 Date of Registration: Dec 1970 Age at Death: 77 Registration District: Windsor Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 6a Page: 556
Births Mar 1920 (>99%) Byde Henrietta E Burt Maidenhead 2c 967
Births Sep 1922 (>99%) Byde Emily J Burt Maidenhead 2c 749
Births Sep 1932 (>99%) Byde Henry J Burt Maidenhead 2c 659
This is Henry's first wife...........(They remarried)
..England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Henry J Byde Name: Henry J Byde Spouse Name: Vivienns R Menelaws Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1955 Registration District: Maidenhead Inferred County: Berkshire Volume Number: 6a Page Number: 67
England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Vivienne R Byde Name: Vivienne R Byde Spouse Name: Anthont D Flooks Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1979 Registration District: Windsor Inferred County: Berkshire Volume Number: 19 Page Number: 0844
Vivienne's death...
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Vivienne Rosemary Flooks Name: Vivienne Rosemary Flooks Birth Date: 20 Feb 1937 Date of Registration: Apr 1997 Age at Death: 60 Registration District: Reading and Wokingham Inferred County: Berkshire Register Number: WOK35 District and Subdistrict: 3202 Entry number: 140
Births Mar 1935 (>99%) Byde Albert G Burt Maidenhead 2c 630 (Albert and his wife Eileen are on the 2002-2007 electoral roll)
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5 Sep 2013 11:35 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Laura Bide Name: Laura Bide Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1898 Registration District: Wokingham Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 390 England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Laura Byde Name: Laura Byde Spouse Name: Edward W Berry Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1918 Registration District: Tonbridge Inferred County: Kent Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 1826
How sad, she died the following year...
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Laura Berry Name: Laura Berry Birth Date: abt 1898 Date of Registration: Mar 1919 Age at Death: 21 Registration District: Easthampstead Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 761
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5 Sep 2013 11:48 |
Her son also died......
England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 about Edward G Berry Name: Edward G Berry Mother's Maiden Surname: Byde Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1918 Registration District: Tonbridge Inferred County: Kent Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 1298
England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 about Edward G Berry Name: Edward G Berry Mother's Maiden Surname: Byde Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1918 Age 0 Registration District: Tonbridge Inferred County: Kent Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 1298
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5 Sep 2013 13:52 |
Sister Jane died at a young age too...
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Jane Bide Name: Jane Bide Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1905 Age at Death: 27 Registration District: Easthampstead Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 245
And Henry....
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Byde Name: Henry Byde Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1880 Registration District: Hartley Wintney Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 185
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Bide Name: Henry Bide Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1904 Age at Death: 24 Registration District: Easthampstead Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 256
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5 Sep 2013 14:21 |
David's birth and death has been mistranscribed as Bide......
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about David Bide Name: David Bide Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1888 Registration District: Hartley Wintney Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 173
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about David Bide Name: David Bide Birth Date: abt 1888 Date of Registration: Mar 1966 Age at Death: 78 Registration District: Worcester Inferred County: Worcestershire Volume: 9d Page: 333
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Margaret May Byde Name: Margaret May Byde Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1897 Registration District: Hartley Wintney Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 200
England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Margaret M Byde Name: Margaret M Byde Spouse Name: Frederick W Makepeace Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1922 Registration District: Kingston Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 730
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Margaret May Makepeace Name: Margaret May Makepeace Birth Date: 8 Dec 1896 Date of Registration: Nov 1989 Age at Death: 92 Registration District: Truro Inferred County: Cornwall Volume: 21 Page: 778
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