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Hi looking to update my tree, Trying to establish father of the above b 1855 London (poss Islington) Married Ellen Hanrahan b1857, married 16/12/1877. can not find John in 1861 census, to establish father /mother name At some time around 1850's appear to have changed spelling from Wrench and anglasised it My records are quiet old now, and am unable to confirm some of the details I think his father was John JamesHave tried Gr and FMP, any other idears welcome, from the knowledgeable ones on here.

His fathers name should be on the marriage cert,if known

Name: Ellen Hanrahan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Age: 20
Spouse Name: John Frederick Rensch
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Dec 1877
Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Lawson Hanrahan
Spouse Father Name: John James Rensch
Register Type: Parish Register

Marriage on FreeBMD has this spelling:

Marriages Dec 1877
Hanrahan Ellen Bethnal Green 1c 765
REUSCH John Frederick Bethnal Green 1c 765

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..London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Frederick Rensch (Bachelor) Type Founder
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Ellen Hanrahan
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Dec 1877
Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John James Rensch (Painter)
Spouse Father Name: James Lawson Hanrahan (Chair Maker)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: William...???? and Susannah Barr
(William's signature is on another record on the same page so he was possibly a proffesional witness.)

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1861 census transcription details for: 29, St Mary Road Lucan Place, St Leonard Shoreditch
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 243
Folio: 74
Page: 15
Reg. District: Shoreditch
Sub District: 4 Hoxton Old Town
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Enum. District: 21
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 29, St Mary Road Lucan Place, St Leonard Shoreditch
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
REUSCH, John Head Married M 31 1830 Watch Maker
Westminster, Middlesex
REUSCH, Mary Ann Wife Married F 31 1830
Dartford, Kent
REUSCH, John Son M 5 1856
Islington, Middlesex
REUSCH, George Son M 4 1857
Westminster, Middlesex
REUSCH, Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1859
Westminster, Middlesex
REUSCH, Arthur Son M 0 (3M) 1861
Hayton, Middlesex

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Thank you all for info, I do have most of that, would like to find more about the father /mother John James/and mother?? can't find on 1861 census, as I thought that would help me more

A Sister........

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Rensch >>>> 17 Felix Street
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Age: 21
Spouse Name: John Ewer (Type Founder)
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 May 1880
Parish: Bethnal Green St Jude
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Rensch (Painter)
Spouse Father Name: John Ewer (Type Founder) Bachelor
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: John Ewer and Elizabeth Sanders

Dea
that looks like them. Can you get 1851 census please?. Strange about the spelling, as I believe originally they where called Wren(s)ch That name does not look very english does it

Holly
Thanks for that so now Rensch, and farther has changed his profesion?? from watch maker to painter? could be printer? as the family did all go into the newspaper printing buisness.

..London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about George Dannell Rensch Name: George Dannell Rensch
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Alice Blackford
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Oct 1880
Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Rensch (Painter)
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Blackford
Register Type: Parish Register

I double checked all 3 images of the marriage records and John's occupation does read......Painter and not Printer.

Just thought maybe the Reusch was the N miss read.
Any one found John James and Mary Ann marriage? Still need to find when the spelling changed on the name. Where would be the best place to check, and did it have to be formal, or just by usage>>

1891 England Census
about John Rensch Name: John Rensch
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Rensch
Gender: Male
Where born: Clerkenwell, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
Town: South Hackney Ward
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Hackney
Sub-registration District: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 204
Folio: 144
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
John Rensch 61 (Painter)
Mary A Rensch 61
Boarders....
Joseph Cade 25
Arthur Aldridge 28
William Ward 27
Arthur Pope 18
Fred R Cooper 12
Eliza Thurgood 21 (Visitor)
Alfred Reusch 4 (Grandaughter)

Wonder what sort of painter? Artist or Decorator?? Maybe I have a famous Artist in the family, though not passed to me, can't even draw a straight line!

Although it states ....Father John "James" Rensch on John Frederick's marriage record, i think this is his marriage record...


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Frederick Rensch (Bachelor) Watchmaker....12 Sidney Grove
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Copley
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jan 1855
Parish: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Father Name: John Frederick Rensch (Porter)
Spouse Father Name: John Copley (Carpenter)
Register Type: Parish Register

..England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
about John Frederick Rensch Name: John Frederick Rensch
Birth Date: 22 Jan 1830
Birth Place: St James, Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Father: John Fredk Rensch
Mother: Harriet Ryman
Baptism Date: 9 Jun 1830
Baptism Place: Islington, London, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 4342: Islington, Upper Street (Independent), 1816-1837

..1841 England Census
about John Rensch Name: John Rensch
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Luke
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration District: St Luke
Sub-registration District: Old Street
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 667
Book: 1
Folio: 14
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
John Rensch 36 (Labourer)
Harriott Rensch 30 (Char Woman)
John Rensch 11
Sarah Rensch 9
Joseph Rensch 6
Ann Rensch 4
Elizabeth Rensch 1

..England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
about Joseph Rensch Name: Joseph Rensch
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1834
Birth Place: St James, Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Father: John Rensch
Mother: Harriet Ryman
Baptism Date: 15 Oct 1834
Baptism Place: Islington, London, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 4342: Islington, Upper Street (Independent), 1816-1837

1851 England Census
about John Rencha Name: John Rencha
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Rencha
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: St Luke

Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 355
Piece: 1501
Folio: 24
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
John Rencha 50 (Porter) Born St Lukes
Harriet Rencha 43 Born Woodstock
John Rencha 21
Joseph Rencha 18
Sarah Rencha 18
Eliza Rencha 10
Henry Rencha 8
Samuel Rencha 5
Hannah Rencha 2

Edit........added.

The 1861 has already been posted...

It seems Harriet has been entered on two 1871 census records........one with her two sons and one at her place of work...



..1871 England Census
about Harriett Hensch Name: Harriett Hensch
[Harriett Rensch]
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Islington St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household Schedule Number: 197
Piece: 278
Folio: 19
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Harriett Hensch 63 (Widow)
Samuel Hensch 24 (Watchmaker)
Joseph Hensch 25 (Printer)

And...


..1871 England Census
about Harriet Rensch Name: Harriet Rensch
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Islington St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Household Schedule Number: 61
Piece: 265
Folio: 34
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
John Savage 59
Amelia B Cragg 25
Harriet Rensch 64 (Widow)