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Very sad. Baby Mary Ann born in Hobart died 15 days later in Auckland. Not surprising I suppose. (from a tree on Ancestry)

He is listed as Robert on the death index so that fits although at his age it seems strange to call him pensioner!!!!!!!! I think the Mary Ann angle is probably correct....but I can't find a birth to match

The ship Berwick Castle took 6 months to come from England to NZ. via Falkland Islands. In a southern winter storm the ship lost its rudder and had to improvise enough to get to Hobart, Tasmania where it was repaired.

Hobart births - RENSHAW, Mary Ann, daughter of Richard Renshaw, pensioner, and Jemima Jones, born 14th October 1852 - so during this terrible voyage Jemima was very pregnant. I wonder if they named the new baby after the Mary Ann who died of whooping cough. The mystery of the two other children still remains.

Richard (it has Richard/Robert on the passenger list) must have been pensioned out of the 81st Foot Regiment.

Sorry, just some research I got from Chris's leads. Thanks Chris.

really good spelling but it's only 7.30 in the morning. (Curiouser and curiouser)

Jill

Curiuosier and curiouser

Yes the death on route is worrying. The birth i found in tasmanIa does not fit with the death on route. And who were the two children?

I may have traced a GR member through member trees. Fingers crossed.

Jill

I know this has been referred to earlier but I cant see it posted....unless Ive overlooked it!



Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)


Name:Richard Renshaw <<Bachelor<<Labourer

Age:30

Birth Year:abt 1821

Marriage Date:20 Oct 1851

Parish:Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George

Father's Name:William Renshaw <<Tailor

Spouse's Name:Jemima Jones<<<Spinster

Spouse's Age:28

Spouse's Father's Name:Thomas Jones <<Coachman

Archive Roll:720

Address: 4 Regent Street, Salford

Wit: Henry Ludlow & Jane Harrington

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the sites. I am wondering if Mary Renshaw who died en route on the Berwick Castle was from another marriage or yet another child before the marriage in 1851? I have done a search and not found anything. The Fencibles site was very interesting. I found someone on there researching the same couple but alas it was 9 years ago and the email address in invalid.

Thanks

Jill

Thanks Chris :-)

Pensioner Chelsea

(Gins, as above on FMP, looks right on image)

Chris :)

Hi

Having had a dig around and gone boggle eyed from looking at so many records.....I'm pretty sure that this is Richard Renshaw



England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970


Name: Richard Renshaw

Birth Date:23 Oct 1811

Event Type:Baptism

Father: Wm Renshaw <<<<<<<<<Tailor

Mother: Ann Renshaw

Baptism Date:24 Nov 1811

Baptism Place:Manchester, Lancashire, England

Denomination:Methodist New Connexion

Piece Title:
Piece 3782: Manchester, Oldham Street Chapel (Methodist New Connexion), 1798-1821


And this is him with his sister Alice



1851 England Census

Name:Richard Renshaw

Age:39

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1812

Relation:Brother In Law

Gender:M (Male)

Where born:Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish:Manchester

Ecclesiastical parish:Cathedral And Collegiate Church

County/Island:Lancashire

Registration District:Manchester

Sub-registration District:Market Street

ED, institution, or vessel:1r

Household Schedule Number:151

Piece:2229
Folio:507
Page Number:43

Household Members:


George Kidson 47 <<Tailor
Alice Kidson 42
William G Kidson 15
George R Kidson 8
Richard Renshaw 39
Richard Shaw 65

I cant read the occupation for Richard?

There is always a chance that William hadn't married before. I wonder why Jemima and Richard apparently split up and why they didn't divorce and how William came on the scene. Tomorrow I will look to see if I can find what happened to the two Renshaw children - who they lived with etc. Interesting that Richard lived in Onehunga - a suburb of Auckland and the Jones family lived in Auckland too.


All this will be great for the family reunion in March 2014. Knock a few socks off.

Thanks Jude and Chris

Jill

RENSHAW Richard Jemima JONES BC 81st Foot

http://www.nzfenciblesociety.org.nz/wawcs017849/the-fencibles.html


Richard Renshaw arrived on the Berwick Castle from England in December 1852
with his wife Jemima.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NEW-ZEALAND-FENCIBLES/2004-05/1084087086

http://www.reocities.com/wlorac/berw1852.txt

(on passenger list above, as below)

Renshaw, Richard/Robert 1810 MNC ENG - 1883 Onehunga
Renshaw, Jemima (Jones)
Renshaw, 2 children
Renshaw, Mary 1847 - Died whooping cough enroute NZ


(above if relating, from google)

Chris :)

No wild good chase Jill - quite absorbing actually.

So I think it's a good bet that this is what happened to Jemima...
She married Richard Renshaw in Manchester Cathedral in October 1851 and gave birth to Mary Ann in Tasmania one year later.

There is (allegedly) a daughter Sarah Ann who I haven't found any record of - though I wonder if this is actually Elizabeth. And then there was William (Alfred) who I suspect was actually William's son.

So only missing link with her is when she and Richard emigrated.

But William...we have not found much. Who was his first wife? When did they emigrate? Or did she die beforehand?

Jude

You guys are amazing!! All this info while I was sleeping!!

I have had contact with David's great grand daughter in Oz. She has only recently learnt her grandparents names and is still getting the knowledge together. This Renshaw connection is correct as the 1886 marriage records Jemima's surname as Renshaw.
I was starting to feel rather embarassed that I had got everone on a wild goose chase and I would never be able to show my face on Boards again.

I just need to get a reply from my (lack of) contact in Auckland who has a lot of stuff but is in the process of shifting house.

Once again thank you for all your amazing sleuthing. Scotland Yard would be proud of you.

Jill

OK....so I would GUESS that William Renshaw, whose middle name is allegedly Alfred might actually not be the child of Richard :-S

More info..

Name: Mary Ann Renshaw
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1852
Father's Name: Richard Renshaw
Mother's Name: Jones
Birth Place: Tasmania
Registration Year: 1852
Registration Place: Hobart, Tasmania
Registration number: 1831

1863/7549 Jones Jemima Mother Jemima Father William

1860/4644 Jones David Mother Jemima Father William

1855/1923 Renshaw William Mother Jemima Father Richard
1853/2212 Renshaw Elizabeth Mother Jemima Father Richard

According to Ancestry, William was William Alfred

Jude :-S

Jill
No fathers names, sorry

Hi Chris - well done...that matches with the details I posted earlier of a marriage in Manchester Cathedral of Jemima Jones marrying Richard Renshaw 20 October 1851

And another thought....WHY can't the children be Jemima's? The three children with Richard Renshaw were 1852 to 1855; The three Jones' are 1857 to 1863...ok so Richard (death listed as Robert in the link Chris posted) died in 1883...what's to say Jemima and he were still together. She could have been living as William's wife for all those years and got married when she was free?

I'd definitely get a birth certificate of one of the children (and I'd go for David who seems to have a strange middle name if the trees on Ancestry are correct)

JUst a thought as well...William Jones seems to be the son (maybe) of John Williams and his wife Mary (1851 census) so maybe he was born before Mary Jones married John Williams?

Jude