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Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 27 Nov 2013 19:32

Sorry Paul just read your above posts

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 27 Nov 2013 19:47

Cecilia in 1911 she was a machinist

Name: Cecilia Berg
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Blyth, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 15 Day Street Newcastle
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Machinist Underclothing
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration District Number: 558
Sub-registration District: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 30565
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Barrable 28
Jennie Barrable 27
Ena May Barrable 3
Frederick Barrable 1
Cecilia Berg 22
Carl Kalinda 40

alviegal

alviegal Report 27 Nov 2013 20:21

Don't know if this pertains to your man?

NEWS OF THE NORTH.

Publication:Newcastle Journal

Publication date:Tuesday 30 November 1915

Article text:"A ship's steward named John Berg (64) Baltic Street, Leith, was charged at South Shields, yesterday, with having, as alien enemy, entered prohibited area without the permission of the registration offi'cer, on Nov. 22. Defendant was described a native of Heineridorf, near Breslau, Germany and it was stated that he had been sailing in ships since 1907 as a Belgian. He had made no effort to disclose his real identity since the Aliens Act came into force although he had been to places like Swansea, Newport and Cardiff.
The case was adjourned and the defendant was remanded for 8 days.





BRESLAU

BRESLAU (Polish Wroclaw), city in Silesia, Poland (in Germany until 1945).

alviegal

alviegal Report 27 Nov 2013 20:25

??

Shipping.

Publication:Shields Daily Gazette

Publication date:Friday 25 March 1881

Article text:"Henry Lee, David Wood, and John Berg were summoned for having refused to obey orders on board the New York Liner Otrantq, belonging to Mesars Wilson, Son, and Co. T. W. Hearrield appeared for Captain Jenkins, tbe complainant; and Rollit defended. the morning of Sunday, the 27th Feb"


Basically the 3 men refused to 'trim the coals' because it was a Sunday.

alviegal

alviegal Report 27 Nov 2013 20:31

Police Intelligence.

Publication:Shields Daily Gazette

Publication date:Saturday 05 June 1886


Henry Pearson (42) fireman was charged with stealing a woolen jacket from John Berg, refreshment house keeper. West Holborn, on Tnursday last. As the jacket seemed to have been taken by mistake, the case was dismissed.

alviegal

alviegal Report 27 Nov 2013 20:34

Did they also have a son?


Shields Daily Gazette

Publication date:Tuesday 13 October 1885

BIRTHS, MARRIAGES & DEATHS. BIRTH. BERG.—At 41 West Holborn, South Shields, the 13th inst„ the wife of John Berg, of a son.




Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record
Print Close
Day: 06
Month: Dec
Year: 1885
Forenames: John
Surname: BERG
Fathers Forenames: John
Occupation:
Mothers Forenames: Jessie
Mothers Surname: FORSYTH
Birth day: 13
Birth month: 10
Birth year: 1885
Abode: 41 West Holborn, South Shields
Place: Newcastle
Description: Trinity Presbyterian
County: Northumberland
Country: England
Checked: N
Other info:
Other Father: merchant
Other Mother:
Notes:
Record source: Northumberland and Durham Baptisms
Data provider: Northumberland & Durham Family History Society


Cecelia's birth ?


Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record
Print Close
Day: 11
Month: Oct
Year: 1888
Forenames: ---
Surname: BERG
Fathers Forenames: John
Occupation:
Mothers Forenames: Jessie
Mothers Surname: FORSYTH
Birth day: 02
Birth month: 05
Birth year: 1888
Abode: 7 Braemar St.
Place: Newcastle
Description: Trinity Presbyterian
County: Northumberland
Country: England
Checked: N
Other info:
Other Father: ---
Other Mother:
Notes:
Record source: Northumberland and Durham Baptisms
Data provider: Northumberland & Durham Family History Society

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 27 Nov 2013 20:42

As alvigal found above

Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
Berg John S. Shields 10a 749

Death


Deaths Sep 1886 (>99%)
Berg John 0 S. Shields 10a 392

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 27 Nov 2013 21:01

Do you think that possibly Jessie died in child birth

Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
Berg Arthur Islington 1b 414
Berg Augusta Pancras 1b 60
>>>Berg Jessie McDonald Newcastle T. 10b 126


Death

Deaths Mar 1895 (>99%)
Berg Charles 37 S.Shields 10a 494
Berg James Main V 44 St Geo H Sq 1a 457
>>>>Berg Jessie Macdonald 3 Newcastle T 10b 27
Berg William 50 St.Saviour 1d 67

Jessie, Johns wife

Deaths Dec 1892 (>99%)
Berg Jessie 39 Newcastle T. 10b 67

Paul

Paul Report 27 Nov 2013 22:34

Thanks for all your comments - Jessie's death certificate was ordered a few days back - should be in the post tomorrow!

Paul

Paul Report 28 Nov 2013 09:51

This is the John Berg's timeline so far
1851: Birth possibly Breslaw Poland (formerly part of Germany), father Joseph
1881: Story in Shields Gazette on board the New York Liner Otrantq
1884: Proprietor of Cocoa Rooms, South Shields, Durham, England. Residence
41 West Holborn St, South Shields. Married Jessie Forsyth from Aberdeenshire
1885:Merchant. Birth of son John. Lives in South Shields.
1886:Story in South Shields Gazette.Refreshment House keeper. Death of son John. Lives in South Shields.
1888:Steward in Steamship. Birth of daughter Cecilia. Lives in South Shields.
1891:Wife Jessie died.
1915:Story in Newcastle Journal. Steward in Steamship. Lives at 64 Baltic Street, Leith, Edinburgh
1919: Marriage of Cecilia to Herbert Beckett. Ships Steward.

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 28 Nov 2013 11:03

The Evening Telegraph and Post Tuesday December 7th 1914. Tayside Scotland

Changed Nationality

German sailed into British ports as a Belgium

The plausible excuses of John Berg(64) a ships Steward residing at Leith for his deception of posing as a Belguim were not accepted by the South Sheilds magistrates before he appeared pleaded guiltyand he was sent to prison for three months ......1908 when engaged on ships trading in Germany changed nationality to avoid problems with German Authorities .....Later admitted that he had served for two and a half years in the German army first as a private and afterwards in the pay office, and he further confessed that he was born at Heinersdorf, near Breslau. He also stated in his explanation for having a Belguim passport that he did not tell the Belguim consul the truth.


****do you think that baby Jessie MacDonald Berg 1892 - 1895 was also his child she was born the a few months before her mother Jessie died if I am correct with this info.

Paul

Paul Report 28 Nov 2013 11:24

I guess thats the same story as the Newcastle Journal. Jessie died between Oct and Dec 1892 so not sure about the other baby - the death certificate didn't arrive this morning.. Jessie's mothers maiden name was McDonald so it is possible. Forgot to put in the timeline that Joseph Berg died in 1889 in South Shields.

Paul

Paul Report 28 Nov 2013 11:37

Theres another Jessie McDonald Berg

abt 1887
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1887
Age at Death: 0
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 88

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 28 Nov 2013 14:37

Baptism baby unnamed

Day:11Month:OctYear:1888Forenames:---Surname:BERGFathers Forenames:JohnOccupation:Mothers Forenames:JessieMothers Surname:FORSYTHBirth day:02Birth month:05Birth year:1888Abode:7 Braemar St.Place:NewcastleDescription:Trinity PresbyterianCounty:NorthumberlandCountry:EnglandChecked:NOther info:Other Father:---Other Mother:Notes:

Paul

Paul Report 28 Nov 2013 16:21

This is the full text of the Tayside Evening Telegraph

CHANGED NATIONALITY. German Sailed Into British Ports as a Belgian. The plausible excuses of John Berg a German ship's steward residing at Leith, for his deception in posing a Belgian were not accepted by the South Shields Magistrates, before whom appeared on remand, and he was sent to prison for three months. Entering a plea of guilty, his solicitor stated that in 1908, when engaged on ships trading to Germany, Berg, advice given to him, changed his nationality in order to avoid trouble with the German authorities. As he was man getting on years, he thought that if he was interned it would be difficult matter for him to secure work after the interment was over, and that was his explanation for being in his present false position. Berg had been remanded last week on the charge of having, as an alien enemy, entered prohibited area without permission on November 22, and also with having failed to give correct particulars as his nationality when registering on the same date. Inquiries made in the meantime showed that lie had registered himself as Belgian various British ports which he had entered on his ship, and had described himself as a native of Antwerp. Later admitted that he had served for two and a half years in the German Army, first as a private and afterwards in the pay office, and he further confessed that he was born at Heinersdorf, near Breslau. also stated in explanation of his having a Belgian passport that he did not tell the Belgian Consul the truth.

Paul

Paul Report 28 Nov 2013 17:46

I think I've found Cecilia in the 1901 census, under the name 'Nevison' - Nevison was the married name of Jessies sister, and they also lived in/near Newcastle.

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 28 Nov 2013 18:16

You could be right re Cecilia as the original says Cecilia is a niece

Paul

Paul Report 28 Nov 2013 18:39

So it does! Thanks. That solve that little puzzle...now back to John Berg....

Tenerife Sun

Tenerife Sun Report 28 Nov 2013 20:27

What do you know about Joseph, birth, marriage, occupation etc.

On Cecilia's marriage cert was John definitely still living?

Paul

Paul Report 28 Nov 2013 20:42

John did not have 'deceased' against his name, like Jessie did for her father on her marriage certificate to John.
This is the John Berg's timeline so far
1851: Birth possibly in Heinersdorf, near Breslaw Poland (formerly part of Germany), father Joseph Berg.
1881: Story in Shields Gazette on board the New York Liner Otranto
1884: Proprietor of Cocoa Rooms, South Shields, Durham, England. Residence
41 West Holborn St, South Shields. Married Jessie Forsyth from Aberdeenshire
1885:Merchant. Birth of son John. Lives in South Shields.
1886:Story in South Shields Gazette.Refreshment House keeper. Death of son John. Lives in South Shields.
1888:Steward in Steamship. Birth of daughter Cecilia. Lives in South Shields.
1889: Johns father died in South Shields
1891:Wife Jessie died.
1915:Story in Newcastle Journal. Steward in Steamship. Lives at 64 Baltic Street, Leith, Edinburgh
1919: Marriage of Cecilia to Herbert Beckett. Ships Steward.

There may be 2 other possible children, all died within 3 years of birth. The last birth may have been the cause of Jessie's death. I'm still waiting for the birth certificate.