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Probably the James George Lester whose probate that is, is this one:

Births Jun 1872
LESTER James George Mile End 1c 586

and this is his marriage

Marriages Sep 1898
Cass Emily Louise
Lester James George Whitechapel 1c 517

whereas ours appears to be this one, from census records

Births Sep 1872
LESTER James Islington 1b 343

I think Maddie has our man in 1911

LESTER, James Head Married M 41 1870 Cabinet Maker Islington London

and whoever Richard was, living with Adelaide, he was not a Lester. :-)

I would imagine that Adelaide's death would be recorded under that Richard's surname, if he was her partner until her death.

edit - I lost my marbles there again I think ... somewhere along the way I seem to have decided that the name was Lister rather than Lester and I think I searched for that ... of course her death is as posted below :-)

so when did our James pass away and where ????

Adelaide
ame: LESTER, Adelaide

Registration district: [?] Islington

County: London

Year of registration: 1951

Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec

Age at death:78

Volume no: 5C

Page no: 969

In 1926 and 1929 she is living with Richard Lester at 140 Bemeuton Stkeet- London Elec regs
1928 with Richard and a George Lester ( who is he) ?????
In 1949 and 1951 at 3 Story Street - no Richard

Maddie

snap :-)

Ha ha, sorry Maddie, didn't notice, had one eye stuck in Ancestry !!

Will delete x

ouch !!!!!!

Obviously (if it is our James) James and Sarah Ann told fibs about being married in 1911

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name:
Sarah Ann Lester

Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1863

Registration District:
Islington

Inferred County:
London

Volume:
1b

Page:
209

Cannot find either Sarah or Caroline in 1901 or Caroline's birth

Misty x

'In 1926 and 1929 she is living with Richard Lester at 140 Bemeuton Stkeet- London E
1928 with Richard and a George Lester ( who is he) ?????'

He would be the son in the 1911 census I posted, living with grandmother and brother James Frederick:

Adelaide Daniels 68 widow housekeeper
Frederick Lester 14 grandchild
George Lester 9 grandchild visitor
- born Kentish Town, Middlesex (not Kent as Ancestry foolishly says)

but the question is, who the heck is Richard Lester ?????

Oh I am a dipstick
However can't find a relevant death under the name Richard Lester
Maddie

I don't think this is the Sarah Ann Lester living with our James in 1911

Sarah Ann Lester
Jul-Aug-Sep 1863
Islington

The Sarah Ann and daughter Caroline living with James would not be Lesters at all, they would be a woman and her daughter either by a previous marriage of Sarah Ann's or to Sarah Ann as a single woman.

The 1911 says Sarah Ann was born in Hackney and Caroline in Bethnal Green.

and I do really doubt that Richard was a Lester. He partnered up with a woman and her children all named Lester and used their name for propriety, I imagine, since it would likely have been easier by that point for him to do it than for them.

I agree
hit brickwall now !!!!!!!!!!!
we need some divine intervention
maddie

Me too....even before I found this !! I was going down the single woman track when I posted.

Deaths Jun 1864

Lester Sarah Ann Islington 1b 150

Misty x

In James Fredrick's WW1 pension records, dated 1914, it states his parents are James and Adelaide Lester of 54 Donegal St, Pentonville Rd, London.

Misty x

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(some Lester Burials on above, if relating)

Chris :)

wow,
I can not believe the amount or the speed of the information, its no wonder I couldn't find these relatives easily.

The only strange piece of information my father has about his family is that the name was changed to Lester because it was easier to spell?? haven't found out anything about this but it probably comes from James and Adelaide's dubious lives

thank you everyone for your help

Sorry for not replying to anyone recently, thank you all for your help. Had major computer issues and only just been able to restore family tree maker.
regards

Denise