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so Abraham was right, and we had the correct 1911 ........................... for his parents and the rest of the family!


as you say ....... where is he??


I wonder if they just forgot to put him on the census????????????????????

So the mystery deepens. His birth certificate arrived today. born 30th April 1905 , East Brightside, Sheffield. Father Abraham Ackroyd, Mother Sarah Ann Ackroyd, nee Shepherd address 7 Court Newman Rd, Sheffield. So where is he in 1911?

This is a mystery. I am hoping his birth certificate may have more information.

Family in 1901 with 9 children.


1901 census transcription details for: 13, Weston Square, Brightside Bierlow
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4381
Folio: 47
Page: 31
Reg. District: Sheffield
Sub District: East Brightside
Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Enum. District: 26
Ecclesiastical District: Sheffield St Clement Newhall
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 13, Weston Square, Brightside Bierlow
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ACKROYD, Abraham Head Married M 46 1855 General Carter
Bradford, Yorkshire
ACKROYD, Sarah A Wife Married F 36 1865
Doncaster, Yorkshire
ACKROYD, John W Son Single M 17 1884 General Carter
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ACKROYD, Ruth Daughter Single F 15 1886
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ACKROYD, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 13 1888
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ACKROYD, Sarah A Daughter Single F 10 1891
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ACKROYD, George Son Single M 9 1892
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ACKROYD, Richard Son Single M 7 1894
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ACKROYD, Nellie Daughter Single F 4 1897
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ACKROYD, Joseph Son Single M 2 1899
Sheffield, Yorkshire
ACKROYD Son Single M 0 (1W) 1901
Sheffield, Yorkshire
BOCOCK, Edward Boarder Single M 24 1877 Labourer Steel Foundry
Bradford, Yorkshire


They also had Rhoda 1901 and Doris 1908. Wonder if Rhoda has been wrongly recorded as being a boy in 1901?
This seems to be the 11 children all accounted for, no Charles though.


1911 repeated.


1911 census transcription details for: 44 Spring Place Attercliffe Sheffield
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN27993 RG78PN1600 RD510 SD7 ED5 SN137
Reg. District: Sheffield
Sub District: Attercliffe
Parish: Sheffield
Enum. District: 5
Address: 44 Spring Place Attercliffe Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
ACKROYD, Abraham Head Married M 51 1860 Manny Excavating For New Building Bradford Yorks
ACKROYD, Sarah Ann Wife Married
28 years F 46 1865 Doncarter Yorks
ACKROYD, Richard Son M 17 1894 Rolling Dept Backer Sheffield
ACKROYD, George Son M 19 1892 Rolling Dept Straightening Sheffield
ACKROYD, Doris Daughter F 3 1908 Sheffield
ACKROYD, Joe Son M 13 1898 School Sheffield
ACKROYD, Rhoda Daughter F 10 1901 School Sheffield
BOOCOCK, Jack Lodger Bod A Llaw Rhydd (boarder) M 37 1874 Labourer Excavating For Extension Bradford Yorks


EDIT If Rhoda was wrongly transcribed as a boy in 1901, then there are only 10 children mentioned.

yes it seems that attercliffe and Carbrook are in the same area. So same address, that's good.

but the street address was still the same?

I don't know Sheffield at all ...................... so maybe you need to check out whether the two areas (the one on the certificate and the one on the 1911) are in fact different names for the same area

just had another look at the marriage certificate an the address is carbrook, not eastbrook

well,

I couldn't find any listed as "Grandson", "Inmate", etc etc, under Charles (+/- Edward) Ackroyd

that's why I tried looking for Charles Edward without a surname, in case it had been copied down wrong.

But nothing seemed to fit!!

Yes I know, very strange, had' found 6 charles around that age in 1911 Census but none seemed to fit , will have to start looking at grandparents or staying with aunties perhaps?

I just cannot find a Charles Edward who might be associated with an Abraham, and staying elsewhere


for the information of other helpers .............................

I've looked under Ackroyd

I've looked under C E Ackroyd

I've looked under c e a ........ in case he was in hospital

I've also tried Charles Edward (without surname) ............ but there's lots of those


I used birth years 1904-1906, and born in Sheffield as the criteria.


Nada

????

Abraham and Sarah Ann's marriage

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)

ACKROYD Abraham Sheffield 9c 516
Shepherd Sarah Ann Sheffield 9c 516

there's something strange going on!!

This raises more questions!

I found Abraham in 1911 at the address given on Charles's marriage certificate ..................but there is no Charles!!


1911 Census

Name: Abraham Ackroyd
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 44 Spring Place Attercliffe Sheffield
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Maunig Excaiating For Mew Building
[Navvy excavating for new building]
Registration District: Sheffield
Registration District Number: 510
Sub-registration District: Attercliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 27993

Abraham Ackroyd 51
Sarah Ann Ackroyd 46 b.ca 1865, Doncaster, Yorkshire
Richard Ackroyd 17 b.ca 1894, Sheffield, Rolling Dept (backer)
George Ackroyd 19 b.ca 1892, Sheffield, Rolling Dept (stracybtering ???) <<< ?? (straightening)
Aores Ackroyd 3 b.ca 1908, Sheffield, Daughter <<<<< Doris
Goe Ackroyd 13 b.ca 1898, Sheffield, Scholar <<<< ?? Joe
Rhoda Ackroyd 10 b.ca 1901, Sheffield, Scholar
Jack Bookcrek 37 Lodger <<<< Boocock


Ackroyds married 28 years, 11 children, 11 children survived



?????

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Abraham Ackroyd

Name: Abraham Ackroyd
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1911
Age at Death: 51
Registration District: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 883



now .................... where was Charles in 1911?????

Jo ...............


do resist the temptation to tick as answered ANY posts on any of your threads in future!

It shows that the question posed in your opening post has been answered ......... and it very clearly has not. Yet, people will no longer open the thread to see if they can help!


Unfortunately, a glitch that GR is trying to fix, means that you cannot untick, so you are stuck with it on this thread!

oops .........

I think Abraham is not a name mentioned for his father in earlier posts :-)

Just got the marriage certificate in the post. Charles's father was Abraham Ackroyd [deceased] General Carter. Charles residence at time of marriage was 44 Spring Pl Eastbrook Sheffield. Occupation Labourer at industrial steelworks. :-)

Thank you to all those replied. Thank you Cynthia for the how to sheet, I have never been on any message board before. I have requested his birth ,marriage and deaths certificates as suggested, just waiting on post. I also discovered the two Charles born in same period. Believe I am looking for the Sheffield born one but will see. To patchem what a wonderful site. I wish it was my Charles but no. Thanks for the 1911 Census info I'll look into all that.

Is this one the other one?

http://billiongraves.com/pages/record/CharlesEdwardAckroyd/5567020

Added:
(Marriage Halifax in 1953)

There most definitely is more than one Charles Edward Ackroyd.


I think the best course of action would be to buy his MARRIAGE certificate, to get the name of his father, otherwise you are likely to be led astray.

Marriages Mar 1931 (>99%)

Ackroyd Charles E Machon Burnley 8e 336
Machon Frances E Ackroyd Burnley 8e 336


It will cost £9.25 from General Records Office (GRO)
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Never pay any more than that amount



Another line of search might be to see if you can find an obituary for him in a local newspaper ........ such obituaries are often a mine if information.