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Henry Malcome Robert Barlow Harris 1891/1901

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JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 12 Jan 2014 18:05

Births Jun 1864
MAYO Caroline Jane Holborn 1b 497

The reason there is no marriage to Henry Harris is that she was already married :-)

and ordinary people seldom got divorced at that time, they just moved on

of the couples who married in 1884, Edwards probably married Sheppard:
John and Amy E Edwards in Hackney in 1891

so Mayo married Blanchard but I can't trace him ...

whoever made that tree just took the 'estimated marriage date' / years married from the 1911 census and did not bother finding a real marriage

edit, I expect this is her death

Name: Caroline J Harris
Birth Date: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Dec 1922
Age at Death: 58
Registration District: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 803

patchem

patchem Report 12 Jan 2014 16:45

Father is a butcher
Barlow Harris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1899
Father's Name: Henry Robert Harris
Mother's Name: Caroline Jane Harris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Added;
Born 29 April 1895, also baptised Doris and Robert at the same time

patchem

patchem Report 12 Jan 2014 16:39


1911 England Census
Caroline Harris Age in 1911: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address: 34 Faulkner St, New Cross S E
Marital Status: Married 27 Years
Estimated Marriage Year: 1884
Occupation: COTTON BAG TRADE
Registration District: Greenwich
Registration District Number: 28 Sub-registration District: Deptford South ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 2643
Caroline Harris 45 15 children, 8 living
Barlow Harris 15
Doris Harris 12
Leonard Harris 9
Martha Harris 7
Irene Harris 2
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 2643.

patchem

patchem Report 12 Jan 2014 16:35

I think this is the Henry Harris who marries Caroline:
1901 England Census
Henry Harris Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male
Spouse: Caroline Harris
Birth Place: Lambeth, London, England Civil Parish: St George the Martyr
County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address: 43 Clifton Buildings
Occupation: Journeyman butcher
Henry Harris 45
Caroline Harris 37
Barlow Harris 5
Doris Harris 2
Robert Harris 1

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 Jan 2014 16:29

I did say not necessarily accurate Mike*

I have been searching with just the term 1838 +/- 5 occupation butcher with no name and I have not found him.

Mike *

Mike * Report 12 Jan 2014 16:11

The marriage to Caroline Jane Mayo is quoted on those trees as being 1884 but not seeing a Henry Harris


Marriages Dec 1884
Blanchard Edward Guildford 2a 84
Edwards John Guildford 2a 84
Mayo Caroline Guildford 2a 84
Sheppard Amy Elizabeth Guildford 2a 84

Ed

Ed Report 12 Jan 2014 16:08

Appears that Jane may not have died. Supposedly there would have been a divorce? Nice to have confirmation re marriage

Thanks

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 Jan 2014 16:06

He had a brother
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edward Arthur Harriss
Name: Edward Arthur Harriss
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1844
Baptism Date: 20 Oct 1844
Father's Name: Jabez Harriss
Mother's Name: Margaret Harriss
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 Jan 2014 15:41

His baptism

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Henry Malcolm Robert Barlow Harris
Name: Henry Malcolm Robert Barlow Harris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 May 1848
Father's Name: Jabez Harris
Mother's Name: Margaret Harris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 Jan 2014 15:39

A tree on Ancestry has a different wife although other trees may not be accurate.

Birth: Jun 1848 - England
Parents: Jabez Harris, Margaret Duggin
Spouse: Caroline Jane Mayo

Andrew

Andrew Report 12 Jan 2014 15:33

Is this correct 1881?


Henry Harris 33
Jane Harris 43
Arthur Harris 5
Frederick Harris 3
Margaret Jones 17
Charles H. Heison 18
H.J. Van Hoen 28






if so, maybe Jane and children 1891


Thomas Mountfort 34
Jane Mountfort 33
Arthur H Harris 15
Frederick J Harris 13
Clara Owen 25
Ann Woodifer 38
Gustave A Hipperman 40

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
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Harris Jane Holborn 1b 1202
MOUNTFORT Thomas Holborn 1b 1202


Jane in both census born Pembrokeshire



Andy



Gee

Gee Report 12 Jan 2014 15:32


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921



Name:Henry Harris

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1848

Age:26

Spouse Name:Jane Bransford

Spouse Age:36

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:20 Dec 1874

Parish:
St Giles without Cripplegate

Borough:City of London

Father Name:Tabez Harris

Spouse Father:James Deboneld

Register Type:Parish Register

Ed

Ed Report 12 Jan 2014 15:25

Henry born 7 Apr 1848 Lambeth to Jabez Harris and Margaret Duggin. In 1851/61 he is with parents in Lambeth Surrey. In 1911 he is in Islington Workhouse and shown as widowed and a butcher.
I think in 1881 he is living in Clerkenwell with wife Jane and children. It appears that he may have married in 1874 to Jane Bransford nee Devonald. I can not find either Henry nor Jane in 1891 or 1901. Can someone have a look please?