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Kerry,

It is now a case of being patient until you receive the birth certificate to see whether or not she is related to your late father.

If she is then I suspect that she may have been taken into care at some stage. Unlike your father however who it appears was at first fostered then later adopted she may at some stage have been returned to one or both of her parents.

Please let us know the outcome when the certificate arrives.

Is it possible that the 2nd Kathleen Faulkner jonesey found on the ER for paddington with a Joseph Faulkner at a different address could be a possibility, if luxborough Lodge had means to accommodate the poor or young new mothers that perhaps she was housed here temporarily?

Sorry for all the questions and thanks again for the help!

There is a marriage for Margaret C in Camberwell for dec quarter 1970 and its a double entry one in surname Faulkner and one in surname Schofield

I will PM details

Roy

I have a photocopy of the adoption certificate dated 9th feb 1961, at dartford county court. His adopted parents were from hextable in kent.

I understand what you are saying about mixed memories, I'm sure as a child he would not have been subjected to the politics but perhaps told stories later on. From memory we understand that he first went to his adopted parents around 3-5 years and yet wasn't actually adopted until 10, is this a usual time span for adoption process? Or could this have been because his parents would not sign the consent forms initially?

His birth certificate states his fathers occupation as a builders labourer.

I have requested the birth certificate for Margaret the 1952 birth, but I am curious to know if she was born after him, presumably she was not taken into care also if the marriage linked to her she still had the names Faulkner and schofield. Seems a very weird coincidence if she is not related though.

Hi Kerry, do you know where the adoption took place? it's just the ERs are only searchable by address, unless indexed for a few areas on sites like ancestry - which is where Jonesey found the ones posted earlier. We can't find a Kathleen & Joseph Faulkner together on the ERs in London.

I'm afraid I find the adoption story hard to believe, maybe some mixed up memories - from what I believe adoption hearings are closed to all but the parents. I also believe that if the birth parent objects to an adoption it cannot go ahead - I was adopted in the 1950s and my mother had to sign the consent forms BEFORE it went to court.

In the late 1960s I personally know a father (named on BC) who would not consent to adoption of his daughter, and it could not go ahead, although the prospective parents tried to contest it.

Thank you flip I will look at this now.

Thank you for your kind help today!
So I have just been chatting with my mum on this, apparently when my "grandparents" went to court to adopt my dad at this point his birth parents Kathleen and Joseph objected to the adoption. He said there was an older brother who stood up in court and said he's happy there, let him stay where he is happy. It was my dad's belief that there were at least 4 older siblings although he could not remember their names. Presumably if they were in a position to try and challenge the adoption surely they must be registered on an Electoral register somewhere in 1961 unlike in 1951 at his birth where their registered address was 1 luxborough street or "luxborough lodge" as I have today discovered it was renamed as a hospital for poor elderly and infirm.

Kerry, I've sent you a private message, with details of the 1952 birth along with 2 marriages which could tie in. If you want to follow up on this, we strongly suggest you get a copy of the birth certificate first, to confirm whether or not she is in fact related to your late father. You can order a copy online from here for £9.25

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

If she is related, I've already given you the marriage info to follow up on. The first husband is easily found, but the marriage was short lived.

Ok, have sent you a PM Jonesey - I think it's a Cypriot name

Flip,

I am not seeing the possible marriage you mention. Would you kindly send me details by PM.

Cheers

Jonsey, what do you make of the possible marriage for the 1952 birth, in 1970? I don't want to post the details as it is an unusual name and a bit too recent. But it's dual registered??

The 1953 has been mistranscribed, the address is 30 Hubert Grove, and the same Faulkners were there in 1951. So they must be 2 different people Jonesey.

Grasping at straws a bit but in the light of the 1952 birth that Flip found you never know your luck.

Name: Kathleen Faulkner
Year: 1953
County or Borough: Lambeth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Lambeth
Street address: 30 Landor Road

Also

Name: Kathleen Faulkner
Year: 1951
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: Paddington

There was a Joseph Faulkner living in the same area in 1951 but at a different address.

Name: Joseph Faulkner
Year: 1951
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: Paddington
Street address: 8) O'Sullivan, Daniel

Have you checked out the Faulkner/Schofield birth in Lambeth in 1952 - it could be a sister? Lambeth/Paddington are only about 6 miles apart.

That would be a fantastic help to me thank you.
My fathers birth name was John Joseph Faulkner born 3rd August 1951, his parents Joseph Cossian Faulkner his Mother Kathleen Frances Faulkner previously Schofield. The address given was 1 luxborough Street, London. Through searching the internet tonight I have now learnt that 1 luxborough street was the site of the old workhouse/infirmary so actually not a home address at all which takes me even further from making progress! They could have lived anywhere in London I guess!
I would love to hear anything that any volunteers can put forward for me.

Thanks again.

Kerry,

Would you like to post some specific details such as your deceased father's original birth name, his parents names (Including his mother's maiden name) and the address shown as his birthplace on the birth certificate.

Obviously it is entirely up to you but amongst Genes Reunited members there is a wealth of experience and knowledge. The members who are volunteers, not paid employees, either subscribe to or have access to many different genealogy sites which might have information that may assist you in your search. For example copies of London Electoral registers for the 1950's are available at Ancestry.

Thank you all for your replies.
Yes, the birth was registered by his mother of the same surname of his father with her former name also confirmed. I have been unable to locate a marriage prior to this DOB for the parents.
I have been trying to research the address, but cannot find any information on what date his house was destroyed and replaced by the university. I even went into the university and asked but the receptionist was very unhelpful. This was a few years ago and I was younger and so didn't really question her further at the time. I will continue my research here directly with the college next time I'm in London, as I can't seem to find anything on line.
I do have an original medical certificate of a doctors examination for him at age 2 which states his general condition as "poor" , he was adopted at age 10 so as I understand it he was taken into care rather than given up for adoption.
I will look to research the electoral register and see where that takes me :-)

The information contained on an adoption certificate is as follows -

The name of the adopted person,

The date and location of their birth and the sex of the child

The name, address and occupation of the adopter(s)

The date of the adoption order plus description of the court who
made the order

Signature of the officer at GRO deputed by the Registrar General to
attest the entry

Roy

Inky1, Sorry, When i said "replaced" i didn't make my self clear,

Once a court has granted an adoption the court then issue an order which is the authority for an entry to be made at the GRO,

The Adoption certificate is then produced from this register under the child's new details. The adoption certificate "replaces" the original birth certificate for legal and administrativ purposes.

The original birth entry will stay on the index and the birth register is annotated with the word "adopted" in the margin and all subsequent copies of the entry will show the annotation.

Roy

PP

Replaced is possibly not the best word to use.
The original 1951 BC will surely still exist in the quarterly lists? And therefore be available to order?