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Thanks, I am on both and scotlandspeople is getting costly as there is so much to research. I suppose they will put the census on Ancestry one day.

Hello Doreen, because it's only available on Scotland's People, which is an excellent site for Scottish research.

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

It's a pay per view site but the credits are reasonably priced (£7 for 30). Costs 5 credits to view a census image.

Scotlandspeople own the rights to it and as it is a pay to view site I would doubt they would reduce their income by letting a subscription site use it. Also I should add that Ancestry only have transcripts of the other Scottish census. The original images of those can be viewed at Scotlandspeople.

The original household returns for the Scottish 1911 haven't survived as far as I am aware. It is, I think, the enumerator's returns that you can view on Scotlandspeople.

Anyone know why ancestry doesn't have 1911 scotand census?

I can't find a death for her. I can't find a marriage either.

She has a sister born about 1825 Jean Rutherord but I can't find a birth for her.

You may have signed up for a month's free trial, but had to give credit card details??

This usually means that you can cancel within that month by giving notice to Ancestry, but if you don't cancel a years worth of subscription will be taken.

You need to check as rootgatherer suggests!

I think you need to check "my account" on Ancestry and ensure that automatic renewal has not been selected.

Ancestry only has transcripts for Scottish census. The only site with original images is Scotlandspeople which as you know is a pay to view site.

no I'll have a look for a death this evening. I seem to remember that I couldn't find a death for her, but I'll check.

I have joined Ancestry yesterday and clicked on a months subscription. Does this mean I have signed up for a year to be paid monthly or can I end it after a month? I was awake for a while last night thinking about this!

Since Katherine / Catherine Used the surname Addison / Edison it is almost certain that she knew who her father was. Have you found her death registration please? It is possible that that will give her father's name, if the informant knew his details.

birth for Katharine Rutherford shows:

Margaret Rutherford at East Mill had her daughter baptized, her brother George in the parish of Scone, being ? Katharine.

So it doesn't show a dad and I don't know if this means Katharine had a brother George as I can't find anything on LDS for him.

Thank you. I found searching the kirk records really hard and didn't find anything. I will check out on Scotslandpeople.

You could use credits on Scotlandspeople to look at this

14/11/1833 RUTHERFORD KATHARINE /MARGARET RUTHERFORD F RATTRAY /PERTH 389/00 0050 0026

This is the other thread with information of Catherine's mother and her family.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1249394


Catherine was still unmarried in 1881?

1881 Census

Name: Margaret Rutherford
Age: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Forgandenny, Perthshire
Registration Number: 282/3
Registration district: St Clement
Civil Parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: Rattrays Entry
Occupation: Sack Sewer
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 374
Line: 8
Roll: cssct1881_84
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Rutherford 73
Catherine Edison 48 Daughter
William H Garland 16 Grandson, Millworker
Ann McIntyre 35 Boarder



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Name: Katharine Rutherford
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 14 Nov 1833
Christening Place: RATTRAY,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Margaret Rutherford
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11389-6
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 1040135
Reference ID:


It may be worth checking the original image on Scotlandspeople for that a birth as it may give a little more information. It may also be worth tracking down the Kirk Session minutes for Rattray as they may hold details of the father of the child.


This appears to be the only Addison family in Rattray around the correct time. Remember ages were rounded down to multiples of 5 for the peurpose of the 1841 census.

1841

Name: Billy Addison
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Rattray
County: Perthshire
Address: Bramble Bank
Parish Number: 389
Household Members:
Name Age
James Addison 50
Margret Addison 50
Billy Addison 20
Janet Stran 20
Hellen Bodon 20
Alexander Haggans 20


The National Archives of Scotland hold Rattray Parish Records.


Reference Title Date

CH2 Records of Church of Scotland synods, presbyteries and kirk sessions 1569-2006

Country code GB
Repository code 234
Repository National Records of Scotland
Reference CH2/525
Title Records of Rattray Kirk Session
Dates 1656-1900
Access status Open

Location On site

Level Fonds


Admin history The Parish of Rattray originally formed a prebend belonging to the Sub-Dean of Dunkeld. Ministry of the church is recorded from 1574 in the person of Donald Cargill. In 1946, following the 1929 union of the Church of Scotland and the United Free Church, Rattray Parish Church was united with the former United Free congregation of Rattray East. After the local union both churches remained in use. In 1988 the parish of Kirkmichael, Straloch and Glenshee was linked with Rattray. Rattray Kirk Session sat within the Presbytery of Dunkeld, later of Meigle and it presently sits within the Presbytery of Dunkeld and Meigle.

These census records look familiar. I'm sure we worked on this family before as I remember looking up Margaret Rutherford and Samuel Grassie before. Perhaps someone can find the other thread .... If it hasn't been deleted. Meanwhile I'll have a look for it.

thanks alviegal, I'll have a closer look at this this evening. :-)

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1841 census transcription details for: Meal Vennel, Meal Vennel, Perth
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National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 387
Book/Folio: 6
Page: 23
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: Perth
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Perth
Address: Meal Vennel, Meal Vennel, Perth
County: Perthshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
ROBERTSON, Thomas M 30 1811 Tin Smith Perthshire
ROBERTSON, Helen F 30 1811 Perthshire
ROBERTSON, Thomas M 12 1829 Perthshire
ROBERTSON, Ann F 10 1831 Perthshire
ROBERTSON, James M 7 1834 Perthshire
ROBERTSON, Betsy F 4 1837 Perthshire
ROBERTSON, Andrew M 1 1840 Perthshire


1851 census transcription details for: 74, South Street, Perth
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National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 387
Folio: 16
Page: 9
Reg. District: Perth
Sub District:
Parish: Perth
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Perth
Address: 74, South Street, Perth
County: Perthshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ROBERTSON, Thomas Head Married M 44 1807 Tin Smith
Perth, Perthshire
ROBERTSON, Hellen Wife Married F 43 1808
Perth, Perthshire
ROBERTSON, James Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Rope Spinner
Perth, Perthshire
ROBERTSON, Betsy Daughter Unmarried F 14 1837 Scholar
Perth, Perthshire
ROBERTSON, Andrew Son Unmarried M 11 1840 Scholar
Perth, Perthshire
ROBERTSON, Alexander Son Unmarried M 9 1842 Scholar
Perth, Perthshire
ROBERTSON, Hellen Daughter Unmarried F 1 1850
Perth, Perthshire

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1841 census transcription details for: Smiths Court, Smiths Court, Dundee
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National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 282
Book/Folio: 52
Page: 18
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: Dundee
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Smiths Court, Smiths Court, Dundee
County: Forfarshire (Angus)
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
RUTHERFORD, James M 65 1776 Lab Scotland
RUTHERFORD, Margret F 30 1811 Scotland
RUTHERFORD, Christian F 20 1821 Scotland
RUTHERFORD, John M 20 1821 Iron Funder Ap Scotland
RUTHERFORD, Janet F 18 1823 Lint Spiner Scotland
RUTHERFORD, David M 16 1825 Scotland
>>ADDISON, Catherine F 8 1833 Scotland
JACK, Helen F 6 1835 Scotland
DUFF, Janet F 2 1839 Scotland




1851 census transcription details for: 7, Barron's Court, Barron's Court, Dundee
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National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 282
Folio: 179
Page: 19
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: Dundee
Enum. District: 79
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Dundee
Address: 7, Barron's Court, Barron's Court, Dundee
County: Forfarshire (Angus)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RUTHERFORD, Margret Head Unmarried F 43 1808
Scone, Perthshire
???EARDSON, Cathrine Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833 Millworker Spinner
Blair Gowrie, Perthshire
CLIFF, Janet Daughter Unmarried F 12 1839 Millworker Spinner
Blair Gowrie, Perthshire
JACK, Helen Niece Unmarried F 14 1837 Millworker
Blair Gowrie, Perthshire
ELDER, Rachel Lodger Unmarried F 24 1827 Millworker
Edinburgh, Midlothian
NAIRN, Jess Lodger F 2 1849
Dundee, Forfarshire
CLARK, Cathrine Lodger Unmarried F 20 1831 Millworker
Montrose, Forfarshire
GRASSIE, Samuel Lodger Unmarried M 51 1800 Pauper Formly Scavenger
Ireland


1861 census transcription details for: Overgate, Dundee
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 282
Folio: 2610
Page: 13
Reg. District: (Dundee Parish 2nd) Alexander Leash
Sub District:
Parish: Dundee
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Overgate, Dundee
County: Forfarshire (Angus)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
RUTHERFORD, Margaret Head Widow F 53 1808
Forgandenny, Perthshire
ADAMSON, Catherine Unmarried F 21 1840 Millworker
Rattray, Perthshire
GRASSIE, Arthur M 10 1851
Dundee
BROWN, Elizabeth Widow F 56 1805
Stromness, Orkney
FRASER, Catherine Unmarried F 23 1838 Millworker
Dundee
COWIE, John M 2 1859
Dundee
ROBERTSON, David M 6 1855
Dundee
COWIE, Mary Unmarried F 45 1816
Spain B S
ROBERTSON, Thomas M 49 1812 Tinsmith
Perthshire

I've just checked it and it doesn't give any relationships. So not much further on that. from LDS it seems Catherine Fraser was John Cowie's mum.

Yes maybe that's her Stuart. I didn't make the connection. I think I need to check out that census to get more details. Those were given to me by someone else so there may be more info on the census. Thanks

Thanks Ann.

I had seen that census and wondered if Addison had been mixed up with Adamson anywhere along the line?????????? It's the only Thomas and DAvid Robertson of about the right age with a Catherine in the mix.