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I am looking to find whereThomas George went to
I have his birth record he was born Thomas George berryman
his dad was George berryman 1882 his mum bertha mabel
berryman. 1884 from sussex
thanks for most of the replies
I got all the records before I come on
I have the right birth record
the marriage record to doris his wrong mainly because
the father name his George and not William
so the death record his also wrong.
and I also know about the free bdm site

chris

Hi

When, where was Thomas born please?

This birth?



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915


Name:Thomas G Berryman

Mother's Maiden Name:Phillips

Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1912

Registration district:Brighton

Inferred County:Sussex

Volume:2b

Page:336

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
BERRYMAN George Brighton 2b 545
GROVES James Godfrey Brighton 2b 545
HARBORD Henrietta Brighton 2b 545
PHILLIPS Bertha Mabel Brighton 2b 545

?

Name: Thomas G Berryman
Birth Date: abt 1912
Date of Registration: Sep 1961
Age at Death: 49
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 710

An Ancestry tree has him marrying as follows:

Name: Thomas G Berryman
Spouse Surname: Doris E A Evans Or Hensby
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1954
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 5d
Page Number: 2199

Jan

This looks like Doris's birth:-

Name: HENSBY, Doris Emily A
Registration district: Greenwich
County: London
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 1024

Kath. x

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(worth a look on above)

Chris :)

The death that Jan posted seems to be the correct one


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965


Name: Doris E A Berryman & Thomas G Berryman

Year:1958

County or Borough:Newham

Ward or Division/Constituency:Woolwich East

Street address:8 Hillreach

1911 census


Person: BERRYMAN, George Institution: The Work House, THE WORKHOUSE

BERRYMAN, George Inmate Married M 28 1883 Stoker Sussex Uckfield

No sign - as far as I can see - of his wife

Thomas's siblings?

1911 census


Person: BERRYMAN, Edgar Institution: The Workhouse, THE WORKHOUSE

BERRYMAN, Edgar Inmate M 2 1909 Sussex Brighton
BERRYMAN, Lilian Inmate F 1 1910 Sussex Brighton

Here's his wife Reggie:-

1911 England Census about Mabel Berreyman
Name: Mabel Berreyman
[Mabel Phillips]
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex
Civil Parish: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address: 9 Steine Gardens Brighton
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Charwoman
Registration district: Brighton
Registration District Number: 79
Sub-registration district: East Brighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 388
Piece: 5091
Household Members:
Name Age
John James Phillips 58
Eliza Phillips 62
Mabel Berreyman 27

Married for 4yrs
Children :- 3 (2 living and 1 died)

thanks for replys
I do have all the records
of my uncle Thomas George berryman
only the birth record his of my uncle.
the marriage has the wrong father of Thomas
its got a William has his dad my uncles father was George
berryman and not William.
I have been looking for three years
when I started I do not know that he
existed my late father did not tell me anything about
him.i only knew that my dad had two sisters and brother
that died before he was born
so I see this has putting my family back.
or sign of duty
to my dad.
my dad had seven brothers and sisters
and not just the three I knew about

chris

The tree on Ancestry has an image of the birth cert of Thomas George Berryman, b1912 Brighton. The father is named as Thomas George Chewter otherwise Berryman; the mother is Bertha Mabel Chewter otherwise Berryman MN Phillips.

The tree also has three further siblings, one with the surname Berrymand b1921 (with image of birth cert) but no father's name. The other two have the surname Shepherd.

Christopher, have you seen the marriage cert to Doris? Is that where the father is named as William?

Edit: I think that is your tree on Ancestry, Christopher.

hi

I have the marriage cert of Thomas George berryman he married doris evans 1954 31 july
on his fathers name it his William George and not George berryman.
there his a William George berryman who in 1952.
if you look look at my tree its shepherd /berryman and also shepherd
my father took the shepherd surname and not the berryman because my grandmother had left George her husband between 1912 and 1926.

mr Christopher shepherd

Thanks Catherine

How sad - cruel even -that her parents could take her in, but leave her children in the workhouse..........!

Suggest you get a copy of the 1961 death cert...........it seems the most likely to be relevant

............there is only ONE birth for the name in 1912

You say the death record is wrong................why do you say that?

In those days the Workhouses were often also hospitals - It is of course possible that the husband and children were in the Infirmary part of the workhouse at the time of the 1911 ??

Dea x

Wouldn't the census enumerator, in that case, have described then as 'patients'?

Just to clarify where the Chewter name comes into things:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about George Chewter
Name: George Chewter
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1882
Registration district: Uckfield
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 130
...........................................................................

1891 England Census about George Berryman
Name: George Berryman
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Berryman
Mother's name: Anne Berryman
Gender: Male
Where born: Uckfield, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Little Horsted
Ecclesiastical parish: Little Horsted
Town: Little Horsted
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Uckfield
Sub-registration district: Isfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 785
Folio: 66
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Berryman 45
Anne Berryman 31
Ellen Berryman 3
George Berryman 8
Ernest Berryman 2

..................................................................

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Thomas Berryman
Name: Thomas Berryman
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1893
Registration district: Uckfield
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 171
Records on Page:
Name
Thomas Berryman
Annie Chater
Annie Chuter


Marriage is after the birth of George, so George looks to be the illegitimate son of Annie Chuter/Chewter

They didn't always differentiate Reggie but having looked at the images it seems that this Workhouse did and so they appear not to be in the hospital part.

As you say, it is very sad that the in-laws could not make room for the husband, or at the very least the children.

Dea Xxx