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The 2 children born to Hugh Iddon and Jane Manddrell were both born in Dalton in Furness - Isabella Jane in 1868 and Amy Margaret in 1872 - see this site, it records mmm:

http://www.cumbriabmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

I think if you look at the site they had another child John William in 1874. Dalton is strange, sometimes it comes under Ulverston registration district and sometimes Barrow.

Added, sorry this third child should read William John.

How about this Roderick....


Web: Isle of Man, Marriage Index, 1606-1984
about Jane Henry Name:Jane Henry
Marriage Date:3 May 1834
Marriage Place:Lonan, Isle of Man
Spouse:William Maddrell

Biography:
Married: William Maddrell. Groom's marital status: Bachelor. Groom's father: not stated. Bride's marital status: Spinster. Bride's father: not stated. (MS09878/3)

Reggie - Thank you. You could be right about the invention or Will could perhaps have been elsewhere.

The IOM Marriage index does show a Will Maddrell as the father of the younger Jane:-

Hugh Iddon
Marriage Date: 11 Jul 1866
Marriage Place: Braddan, Isle of Man
Spouse: Jane Maddrell
Biography: Married: Jane Maddrell. Groom's marital status: Bachelor. Groom's father: John Iddon. Bride's marital status: Spinster. Bride's father: Will Maddrell. (MS09073/3/9part1) - http://www.imuseum.im/FamilyHistory/View.mth?EntryID=3083445&issourcerecord=true

A little early?

Name: Jane Maddrell
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 09 Aug 1832
Event Place: Rushen, Isle of Man
Gender: Female
Marital Status:
Father's Name: William Maddrell
Mother's Name: Jane Gawne
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Digital Folder Number: 004499930
Image Number: 00058

Don't think it is Jane Gawn but her marriage to William Maddrell seems to be in 1842.

The father could, of course, have been invented.

Normally, one would have expected his daughter to record his death in the same way as her mother's.................

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Last Name MADDRELL
Age 25
Year Of Birth 1816
Gender Female
Occupation -
House Number -
House Name -
Street FACTORY LANE
Parish CONCHAN
City DOUGLAS
Town -
Registration District -
County Isle of Man
Country ISLE OF MAN
Birth County ISLE OF MAN
Archive Reference HO107
Schedule 996
Piece Number 1465
Folio 27
Page 50

Household Members
First Name Last Name Age Year Of Birth
ISAAC MUNCASTER 28 1813 Image Transcription
ELIZ MUNCASTER 29 1812 Image Transcription
ROBERT MUNCASTER 7 1834 Image Transcription
ANN MUNCASTER 6 1835 Image Transcription
JOHN MUNCASTER 2 1839 Image Transcription
JANE MADDRELL 25 1816 Image Transcription
JANE MADDRELL 5 1836 Image Transcription

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name JANE
Last Name MADDRELL
Relationship HEAD
Condition WIDOW
Gender Female
Age 36
Year Of Birth 1815
Occupation WASHERWOMAN
Birth Place -
Birth Town LONAN
Birth County ISLE OF MAN
House Number 1
House Name -
Street CAMBRIAN PLACE
Town DOUGLAS
Parish CONCHAN
City -
County Isle of Man
Hamlet -
Parliamentary Borough -
Municipal Ward -
Registration District -
Archive Reference HO107
Piece Number 2525
Folio 353
Page 21

Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
JANE MADDRELL HEAD 36 1815 LONAN Image Transcription
MARGARET MADDRELL DAUGHTER 13 1838 DOUGLAS Image Transcription

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name JANE
Last Name MADDRELL
Relationship HEAD
Condition WIDOW
Gender Female
Age 47
Year Of Birth 1814
Occupation LAUNDRESS
Birth Town LONAN
Birth County ISLE OF MAN
Birth Place -
House Name -
Street CAMBRIAN PLACE
Parish CONCHAN
Town DOUGLAS
City -
Registration District ISLE OF MAN
County Isle of Man
Country ISLE OF MAN
Archive Reference RG09
Piece Number 4418
Folio 15
Page 24

Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
JANE MADDRELL HEAD 47 1814 LONAN Image Transcription
ELEANOR OATES VISITOR 11 1850 LONAN

If Jane was married to Will, the odds are that her birth name was NOT Maddrell

The Jane Maddrell (not, I believe, directly related to the above mentioned Catherine) I'm looking for was born IOM About 1814 (Sources:Family Bible and Burial records). Her daughter also a Jane (born between 1834 and 1837) married Hugh Iddon (11 Jul 1866 Braddan - Jane's father shown as Will Maddrell) and subsequently moved to Belfast with him. I believe the Isabella Jane Iddon (Born Ulverston, Lancs) mentioned in the Bible (below) was their daughter. They also had another daughter - Amy Margaret born 1871 in Barrow-in-Furness.

The Family Bible published 1856 which I believe must have belonged to Jane Maddrell/Iddon has the following inscription:- " My dear mother died Nov 17th 1868 Jane Maddrell. Isabella Jane Idden died August 5th 1868.

I have established that Jane (born Abt 1814) was interred at K K Braddan Cemetry. The Kirk Bradden burial registers, indexed and transcribed by the Isle of Man Family History Society, contain the following relevant entries: Plot 2171 - MADDRELL, Jane, age 54, of Douglas, buried 20 Nov 1868, IDDON, Isabella Jane, age 7 mos, of Douglas, buried 09 Aug 1868.

I am struggling to find a Jane (Maddrell) aged about 20 who married a Will Maddrell and had a daughter Jane Maddrell/Iddon between 1834 and 1837. (Jane Maddrell/Iddon's age in 1901 Belfast Census is recorded as 64 - therefore born Abt 1837. Jane Iddon's age on death in Belfast in 1927 recorded as 93 - therefore born 1834.)

Any help you might be able to give would be very welcome.

ArgyllGran - Yes Robert was born in Strathan - parents Roderick Mcleod and Isabella McKenzie. Robert's occupation is recorded as Seaman Steward Merchant Service in 1871 on his daughter Margaret Anne McKenziee McLeod's birth register entry. I have always thought that this indicated a passenger ship rather than fishing boat - but I could be wrong!! Thanks again for you help

This is more likely him in 1851. Can't see him in 1861 - perhaps he was at sea:


1851 Scotland Census about Robert Mcleod
Name: Robert Mcleod
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Rodrick Mcleod
Mother's name: Isabell Mcleod
Gender: Male
Where born: Assynt, Sutherland
Parish Number: 44
Civil Parish: Assynt
Town: Strathan
County: Sutherland
Address: Strathan
ED: 9
Page: 3 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 11
LINE: 8
Roll: CSSCT1851_11
Household Members:
Name Age
Rodrick Mcleod 56
Isabell Mcleod 48
Robert Mcleod 13
Isabell Mcleod 11
John Mcleod 9
Ann Mcleod 4

Re Robert, the seaman steward -

for generations it has been very common for young men from the west Highland coast and islands to join the Merchant Navy.

If I've got the right Robert in censuses, he started out as a fisherman, so would have been used to the sea. [EDIT: No, not necessarily - see my edit below re 1861 census].

He may have met Catherine while still a fisherman, as he seems to have been in 1861. Fishing boats went all up and down the west coast, and Rushen, IOM,
is / was a fishing port.


1891 Scotland Census about Robert McLeod
Name: Robert McLeod
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine McLeod
Gender: Male
Where born: Strathan Sutherland, Assynt
Registration Number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 37 Sciennes
Occupation: Gate Keeper (Engineers)
ED: 74
Household schedule number: 43
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1891_355
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert McLeod 52
Catherine McLeod 53 - Rushen, IOM
William McLeod 16
Robert McLeod 12


1881 Scotland Census about Robert McLeod
Name: Robert McLeod
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine McLeod
Gender: Male
Where born: Stratharn G, Sutherlandshire
Registration Number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 37 Sciennes
Occupation: Gatekeeper In Engineering Work
ED: 93
Household schedule number: 75
LINE: 6
Roll: cssct1881_293
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert McLeod 43
Catherine McLeod 45 - IOM
Isabella McLeod 11
Mary Ann McLeod 8
William McLeod 5
Raderick McLeod 2


????
1871 Scotland Census about Robert Mcleod
Name: Robert Mcleod
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutherlandshire
Registration district: Inverness
Civil Parish: Vessels
County: Inverness
Address: Beanly Pt Inverness
Occupation: A B Seaman
ED: Inductry
Household schedule number: 1
LINE: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_191
(Listed with many other seamen.)


[EDIT: Oops, no, this isn't him in 1861. Your Robert's father was Roderick! But all the rest of my reply stands.]

[Deleted wrong 1861 census record, showing a different Robert McLeod, fisherman]

The rules are one thread per family..........so just add it to this one.

This was my first request for help - bowled over by your speed of response and kindness in helping out. I have now found the image on Ancestry by searching for Esther Massell. I agree with your comments about the transcription - this is Catherine. Lessons learned - don't necessarily trust the transcriptions and I should have searched for Edward Gawne in the first place!! Thank you all again - I am most grateful.

PS: I am struggling with another Maddrell - this time a Jane. Can I ask about her here or should I ask separately in a new post?

Welcome to the boards by the way Roderick.

Prickles. :-)

Not the easiest job having to interpret the writing/abbreviations on the entry is it?

Thank you all. Stuart has the correct Catherine. Here is the 1841 Census:-
1841, Rushen, district 5, page 12, Cross-e-Callig
William Maddrell, 50, tailor
Ann, 45
William, 25, agricultural labourer
Thomas, 20, tailor
James, 15
Ann, 14
Margaret, 12
John, 10
Edward, 7
Catherine, 5
Henry, 2

The marriage of Catherine to Robert McLeod (My Gt Gt grandfather) is correct. He was from Lochinver in Sutherland and was then a Seaman Steward. (No shipping link bewtween IOM and Lochinver found so far p(erhaps someone knows of one?)

The information about Catherine being in the household of Edward Gawne in 1861 was sent to me by Brian Lawson who ran a comprehensive IOM website.

Yes.........just had another look.........Cath with a squiggle!

:-D

Think you've got it PH and AG - has Catherine been shortened to Cath ne with the ne slightly raised? Could easily be Maddrell as the surname.

I've posted that as well, PricklyHolly - and on having another look, I think Esther Massell is actually Cath (and a squiggle to denote an abbreviation) Maddrell.