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It was a pleasure to help Benda.

It's was also great to learn about the online facility for Irish certificates. I will use it to get some more info on my Irish ancestors.

Hi to my community friends. Having received the marriage certificate of Samuel to his second wife I can confirm that his father was David Stott. Will be in touch again at the end of the month when I should receive Samuels first marriage to Sara Jane.
Kind regards
Brenda.

Hi rootgatherer. many thanks for the latest info.l am so pleased.If only my family had photos wouldnt that be awsome. Kind regards. Brenda.

Name: Louisa Harling
Birth Year: abt 1857
Parish: Ovenden, St George
Burial Date: 24 Nov 1925
Burial Age: 68


Abode, 15 Dundela Gardens, Belfast.

1881

Name: Joseph Harling
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Louisa Harling
Gender: Male
Where born: Cullingworth Bingley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ovenden
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: No 1 Jumples
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Worsted Spinning Overlooker
Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Ovenden
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4420
Folio: 148
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Harling 28
Louisa Harling 24
Florence Harling 2
Edith Harling

A tree on Ancestry has this for Sarah Jane's mother


Louisa Balme
Birth abt 1857 in Southowram, Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Death abt 1925 in 13 Dundale Gardens, Belfast, Ireland


Marriage was to Joseph Harling, parents William Balme and Mary Ann Wood

Brenda, we've thrown a lot of information at you!

The marriage for Samuel and Sarah was posted previously amongst all the other info, here it is again:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Sarah J Harling
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1910
Registration district: Halifax
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 1018

Records on Page:
Name
Sarah J Harling
Samuel H Stott

(Have deleted other people who aren't relevant)

You can order the certificate on-line from GRO. Costs £9.25. There's a box to tick if GRO references are known - tick that because it refers to the district, volume and page no etc.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Thank you all so much. I feel now I am making some headway thanks to your help <3

Will send for Samuels and Sarah Jane's marriage certificate if I can find out where the wedding took place etc.

I think it's great too MarieCeleste. I have spent a few euros over recent years buying certificates for my Irish folk. Will have to check what I still need and get on to that site.

Brenda must be delighted with the outcome of this thread. It has certainly revealed several more generations to add to her tree.

What the heck, I blew one credit!! I'd never seen these records before so it was for my own satisfaction as well to see what extra you got over the free search.

In addition to the birth details I posted above it confirms the parents as Sarah Jane nee Harling and father is Samuel Henry Stott. The birth was registered in sub district Belfast Urban 11.

I wish we could have a similar system here in England, only £2 to view the image (and you could always use the snip tool to copy it).

Oh, very well done Potty and MarieCeleste!! Saves curiosity killing us while awaiting arrival of the certificate.

So now we know for sure we have the correct parents for Wilfred. Brenda just needs the Stott / Hartling marriage certificate to checkout the father's of the bride and groom.

Brenda, you can get the birth information via the link that Potty posted on the previous page.

Curiosity got the better of me so I did a quick search - it gives the mother's maiden name:

Registration number : U/1911/57/1007/95/306
Forename of child : Wilfred
Surname of child : Stott
Date of birth : 1st August 1911
Sex of child : Male
Mother's maiden name : Harling
Registration district : Belfast

Everything fits.

I am about to order Wilfred's birth certificate but I am unsure as to if he really was born in Belfast and if so how do I find the site for purchasing an Irish birth certificate?

You don't need to buy the birth cert; you can view it online:

NI GRO now has online search facilities for bmds - there are time restrictions similar to scotlandspeople.

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/archive-for-family-and-local-history

Click on Research family history at GRONI then click on Go to GRONI online.

You have to register and buy credits; up to 200; credits cost 40p and 5 paid for a view of an original death entry. You cannot print or download the image. The certs can be ordered on line for £8.

Brenda, wait until you get your Dad's birth certificate before you order any marriage certificates for his father. My personal opinion is that you will then actually want the marriage certificate for Samuel's first marriage to Sarah Jane Hartling, as this is your direct line.

Brenda, if you don't have your father's birth certificate then how do you know when he was born?

Do you have any other documents that give his date of birth?

If you're working from this death record it shows he was born ABOUT 1912:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Wilfred D Stott
Birth Date: abt 1912
Date of Registration: Mar 1938
Age at Death: 26
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 659

The death is registered in the first quarter of 1938 and age 26. What Ancestry (and some other sites) does is deduct the age from the death year to give an estimated birth year (similar as to how birth years are calculated on census records).

However, some logic needs to be applied. The birth registration was in the third quarter of 1911 (I'll post it again for comparison). Someone who was born then would be 26 years old (not having reached their 27th birthday) if they died at the beginning of 1938.

Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
Name: Wilfred David Stott
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1911
Registration district: Belfast
Volume: 1
Page: 353
FHL Film Number: 101074

Personally, I prefer FreeBMDs records as they don't make the birth year assumptions that Ancestry etc do - they just state the facts.

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1938
STOTT Wilfred D 26 Birkenhead 8a 659

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

The date of birth given earlier for Wilfred David of 1911 doesnt match my fathers date of 1912. I have already sent for his marriage certificate. will send for Samuels certificate to his second wife and also Wilfreds birth certificate. Thank you for all your help.
Kind regards
Brenda

1871

Name: Charlotte Shaw
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Shaw
Gender: Female
Where born: Stainland, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Stainland
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Elland
ED, institution, or vessel: 12b
Household schedule number: 46
Piece: 4406
Folio: 61
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Shaw 49
Charlotte Shaw 47
Mary A Shaw 16 b. Scotland
John C Shaw 15 b. Scotland
Evangeline Shaw 13
Ernest Shaw 8
Frank Shaw 6
Herbert Shaw 4


1861

Name: Charlotte Shaw
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Shaw
Gender: Female
Where born: Stainland, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Stainland and Old Lindley
Ecclesiastical parish: Stainland
Town: Stainland
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Elland
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Piece: 3288
Folio: 18
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Shaw 39
Charlotte Shaw 37
Mary Ann Shaw 6
John Calvert Shaw 5
Evangeline Shaw 3


1851


Name: Charlotte Stott
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Moses Stott
Mother's name: Elizabeth Stott
Gender: Female
Where born: Stainland, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Stainland with Old Lindley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Elland
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 106
Piece: 2299
Folio: 278
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Moses Stott 57
Elizabeth Stott 57
Charlotte Stott 27
Martha Stott 21
Harriot Stott 17
George Stott 10


1861


Name: David Stott
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Saml Stott
Mother's name: Harriot Stott
Gender: Male
Where born: Stainland, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Stainland and Old Lindley
Ecclesiastical parish: Stainland
Town: Stainland
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Elland
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 143
Piece: 3288
Folio: 19
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Saml Stott 35
Harriot Stott 33
David Stott 6
William Henry Stott 3
Mary Ann Stott 2/12
Edwin Stott 19


1841

Name: Charlotte Stott
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Halifax
Hundred: Morley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Elland
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1305
Book: 1
Folio: 32
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Moses Stott 45
Elizbth Stott 45
Charlotte Stott 15
Samuel Stott 15
Joseph Stott 13
Martha Stott 11
Harriet Stott 8


So it looks like David Stott and Mary Ann Shaw may have been first cousins?

A tree on Ancestry has David's wife as Mary Ann Shaw

Name: Mary Ann Shaw
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 14 May 1854
Birth Place: East Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Baptism Place: East Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Father: Henry Shaw
Mother: Charlotte Stott
FHL Film Number: 1041061
Reference ID: - 2:18HV73J

Name: David Stott
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1877
Registration district: Halifax
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 701
Records on Page:
Name
Mary Ann Crowther
Frank Dennis
Mary Ann Shaw
David Stott