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Astra

Yes, I got them the wrong way around!


Edit:

Astra I thought you had posted the ref earlier and not the parish record, sorry

Ah. Found Lewis Ashby on a tree on Ancestry and the information matches what we have found. His death is stated as 17th September 1880 but the only death I can find is for Lewis Ashley so I wonder if it is a mistranscription. The area is right

Deaths Sep 1880 (>99%)
ASHLEY Lewis 39 St. Saviour 1d 103
Ashley Lewis 39 St. Saviour 1d 108

You made me look again Gins. I posted the marriage earlier but had the father's occupations the other way round>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think you have them wrong.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921



Name:Eliza Osborn <<Spinster

Spouse Name:Lewis Ashby Bachelor - Soldier

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:
15 Jan 1872

Parish:Bethnal Green St James the Great

Borough:Tower Hamlets

Father Name:William Osborn <Labourer

Spouse Father:Robert Ashby <<Farmer

Register Type:Parish Register


Wit: George Ball & Susanna ?

It looks like Eliza & Ludwig had a child together but were not married

The son seems to have taken his step fathers name

Many thanks for all the replies ... Amazed as I didn't think id get any ... V. Grateful. Ludwig was my great grandfather. His son, Walter Sidney ashby, was my grandfather.

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It would fit her profile

Name: Eliza Osborn
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Osborn
Gender: Female
Where born: Felsham, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Felsham
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Stow
Sub-registration district: Walsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 1794
Folio: 427
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
William Osborn 43>>>>>Ag. lab
Nero Osborn 20
Christiana Osborn 17
Eliza Osborn 14
Susannah Osborn 7

So did Eliza marry a Lewis Ashby

Name: Eliza Osborn
Spouse Name: Lewis Ashby>>>>>>>>>>>Soldier
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Jan 1872
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Osborn>>>>>>Farmer
Spouse Father: Robert Ashby
Register Type: Parish Register

Both full age and neither married before

Ludwig Oscar Ashby
England, London Electoral Registers, 1847-1913
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Name: Ludwig Oscar Ashby
Event Type: Other
Event Date: 1912
Event Place: Borough of Deptford, London, England

The name change, if there was one, was probably for sheer convenience.

I can't see a marriage for the father, but perhaps that took place in another country

Sorry, Gins, just noticed you'd added 1861

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
36, Great Titchfield Street, St Marylebone, Marylebone, London, England

Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Franz Plesser Lodger Unmarried Male 27 1834 Meter Maker Hungary Image Transcription
Emil Kuseweker Lodger Unmarried Male 26 1835 Meter Maker Berlin, Prussia Image Transcription
Ludwig Westphal Lodger Unmarried Male 26 1835 Meter Maker Stoyr, Prussia Image Transcription
James Cook Lodger Married Male 50 1811 Shoe Maker St Lukes, Middlesex Image Transcription
Mary Cook Wife Married Female 48 1813 - Brixham, Devon Image Transcription
Susan Webster Servant Unmarried Female 18 1843 Servant Bayswater, Middlesex Image Transcription
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First name(s) Ludwig
Last name Westphal
Relationship Lodger
Marital condition Unmarried
Gender Male
Age 26
Birth year 1835
Occupation Meter Maker
Birth town Stoyr
Birth county -
Birth place (other) Prussia

the birth may not have been registered. penalties didn't come into force until 1875

1861 England Census


Name:Ludwig Westphal

Age:26

Estimated birth year:1835

Relation:Lodger

Gender:Male

Where born:
Preußen, Stoyr

Civil Parish:St Marylebone

Ecclesiastical parish:All Saints

County/Island:Middlesex

Registration district:Marylebone

Sub-registration district:All Souls

ED, institution, or vessel:10

Household schedule number:217

Piece:68

Folio:63

Page Number:42

Household Members:


Name

Age

Sarah Cox 54
Eliza Cox 27
Marion Cox 13
Lucy Gordon 29
Franz Pleiffer 27
Emil Kuseweller 26
Ludwig Westphal 26 <<<<<<Meter maker
James Cook 50
Mary Cook 48

He is still Lewis in 1891 but back to Ludwig for 1901 and 1911 ??

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Births Jun 1864 (>99%)

WESTPHAL Ludwig Oscar Marylebone 1a 392





London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906



Name:Ludwig Oscar Westphal

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:14 Aug 1864

Father's Name:
Ludwig Westphal <<Gas meter maker

Mother's name:
Eliza Westphal

Parish or Poor Law Union:St Marylebone

Borough:Westminster

Register Type:Parish Registers

1881 census

Name: Lewis Ashby
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Eliza Ashby
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 18 Mason S
Occupation: Cork Trade
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 591
Folio: 32
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Ashby 40>>>>>>Widow born Felsham Suffolk
Lewis Ashby 17

Next door but one is a Charlie Ashby also born Suffolk

Name: Ludwig Oscar Westphal
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Aug 1864
Christening Place: ALL SOULS,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 01 Apr 1864
Father's Name: Ludwig Westphal
Mother's Name: Eliza


Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05391-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 580894

On his marriage his father is named as Lewis Ashby ***

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Ludwig Oscar Ashby
Name: Ludwig Oscar Ashby
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Age: 26
Spouse Name: Alice Copsey
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Aug 1890
Parish: Southwark Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Lewis Ashby *** (deceased) gas fitter)
Spouse Father: Henry Copsey
Register Type: Parish Register


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