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Looks to be Alexanders baptism:
Name: Alexander Thompson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 20 Jan 1878
Christening Place: Christ Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry George Thompson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah Anne
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02360-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1545848
Reference ID: item 6 p 73

Think you can rule out the 1911 census and the probate record for the other Alexander, had another look and he is on 1901 census - a wine & spirit clerk - with his father Charles manager of a public house.

Hei Guys! i've just check dmy notes and I've realised I found two Alexander born the same year. I'm sure one died in dec. 1905 and the other I think at a latter date 8can't remember as was the wrong. One I found the burial record of and as I said before the grave owner was the wrong mother but for the other I wrote down in pencil " gone through all cemeteries cannot find him but the relevant page in West Derby burial records is ruined and I cannot read it-need to try order book).

Now...there is still hope then that that dec. 1905 death might be him! But the only way I can find out is by going to Liverpool and have a look in the order book...that is...if it wasn't a common grave...which is quite likely as his father was buried in one in 1901...

However...I've ordered the birth certificate for the daughter...should arrive in a few weeks....

PS: i really NEED to tidy up my notes!!!

I think Chris has eliminated the navy guy as he was born in wrong place and was in the navy in 1901, as he was a chief stoker in 1911 I would assume he must have been in for a number of years.

Although I realise you had already discounted him.

Name Thompson, Alexander
Official Number: 288383
Place of Birth: Bolton, Lancashire
Date of Birth: 20 December 1878

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/royal-naval-seamen.htm


Births Mar 1879 (>99%)
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Thompson Alexander Bolton 8c 418

(above could relate to the Navy one)

Chris :)

One thing strikes me, you said yourself there were 2 Alexanders - and you've got the burial of the other one, so that leaves 1 which makes it feasible for that 1911 census. There was no occupation on his probate, but when Louisa died 23/6/54 her probate went to husband Alexander, retired licencee. That marriage certificate could prove interesting........

Look forward to the next episode!

Thanks Flip, Catherine and Alveagar for all the hard work!

i've sent away for the certificate. At least we will know who the mother of the baby was and then we can work from there.

they might not have married but at least we will know the name. then we can cross reference all the excellent info you have gathered.

I'll definitely keep you posted and let you know what I find on the cert. so keep coming back to this post because I'm sure there will be surprises...

Just in case this proves relevant:

Alexander Thompson
Probate Date:18 Apr 1956
Death Date:4 Mar 1956
Death Place:Liverpool, England
Registry:London, England

Of Aigburth House, Aigburth Vale. Probate to Charles Noel Thompson, dispensing chemist. Effects £1518 14s. Unfortunatly no maritial status or occupation declared.

And the burial reference (no plot specified)

Alexander Thompson
Birth Year:abt 1879
Age:77
Burial Date:7 Mar 1956
Parish:Wavertree, Holy Trinity
Reference Number:283 HTW/4/10

One consideration, they never got married but got together as "married" because if Olive Louisa is their child Lily was obviously pregnant at the time of the 1901 census. Baby was dead within 9 months, maybe they just went their seperate ways?

It would make the 1911 census posted by Catherine worth checking further - I know there's a change of occupation, but it might have been slack on the hairdressing front - and a married man with responsibilites would need a job. He would have been educated I would have thought (so capable of being a cashire), because his sister Daisy obviously was. Incidently, I found a probate record for that Alexander but it didn't give an occupation - probate granted to the son on 1911 census.

Thanks Dea, I didn't look for a Lilian, just Lily or Lilly - silly mistake. Might be worth trying to find her in 1891/1901 just to see if she disappeared then came back for 1911 census. (I checked out the Lilly G I spotted, and she is on 1901/11 with her husband.

ADDED: Cheshire bmd also gives Lilian Gertrude William's birth registered in Tranmere rather than Birkenhead, although the family were living in Birkenhead on 1901 census, so probably not her as she is with them. Added further, the children of this family were born in various locations on the Wirrall so they must have moved around the area quite a lot hence the birth confusions.

Just to tidy up my find and as I don't like leaving loose ends,, this looks to be the birth for the daughter in the immigration record:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Vera Isabel L Thompson
Name: Vera Isabel L Thompson
Registration Year: 1901
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: London City
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 10

.............and parents marriage:-

Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
Skinner Lilly London C. 1c 31
Thompson Edward Alexander London C. 1c 31

............so born in London which rules this out completely!
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This looks to be relevant to the Olive Louisa Thompson you found:-

Olive Louisa Thompson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 13 July 1901 Paddington
christening: 28 July 1901 St Peters C of E
residence: 1901 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
father: Alexander Thompson
mother: Lily

Good find Catherine but I think this may be the family above.


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Lilly Thompson
Name: Lilly Thompson
Arrival Date: 24 Oct 1909
Birth Date: abt 1876
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: london
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Southampton
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Philadelphia


Travelled with Edward Alexander, 38 an engineer and Vera Isabel 8. Lilly was 33.

Ehlexander in your census is also an engineer.

Could he have emigrated?

Name: Ehlexander Thompson
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1910
Event Place: Lawrence Ward 4, Essex, Massachusetts, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1872
Birthplace: England
Immigration Year: 1909
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Ehlexander Thompson Head M 38 England
Lilly Thompson Wife F 35 England
Vira D L Thompson Daughter F 8 England

Name has been mistranscribed so maybe there is also an errror with his age?

Thanks Flip and Dea!

I'm more determinated than ever to order that birth cert.! I wonder what surprises there will be!

At a point someone did suggest she might be Irish and that being a stigma at the time many gave birth place Birkenhead instead.

There 'was' a possible Lily G born at that time in Birkenhead but I couldn't connect her,

Births Sep 1878
Williams Lilian Gertrude Birkenhead 8a 528

Dea x

There isn't a Lily G born in Birkenhead either to match her age - only one near is a Lilly G, in Tranmere, but she married in 1900 to someone else.

I guess the only option is to get birth certificate of their daughter Olive, find out mother's maiden name and work on that as Lily G is not as common a name as Alexander.

feeling quite frustrated!

A possible death for the Mother maybe just before the 1911 census.

eBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Sarah A Thompson
Name: Sarah A Thompson
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: West Derby
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 3

Irene
I also had the same thought about them not being married.

Thanks to all! Unfortunately it all confirms the data I have...

Sylvia: yes, that's the one! when I painstakingly went through all the microfilms in search of the burial (and I didn't know the cemetery so I went though quite a few), I discovered that the name of the grave owner was the mother of the other Alexander!

Richochet: I don't have the death certificate of the mother. I think she died in 1911 and checked the burial records but did not find her.

Susan: good try but birthplace is wrong

Catherine:...interesting but not only name of wife is wrong (but then she could have changed it) but the age too...

In the meantime everybody I've found some exciting information! I discovered a parish record for a daughter born in 1901 (and sadly died the following year): Olive Luisa Thompson (Luisa is the second name of Daisy, Alexander's sister, and of later her daughter Eveline so I'm quite confident it's right). the parents are listed as Alexander Thompson and Lily. I looked for other children but found none.
I was thinking...they might have never got married...

Otherwise...why can't we find a marriage record? I also tried Cheshire as Lily was born in Birkenhead, and the whole of Lancashire but no luck.

????
(probably not as occupation is not the same as in 1901 but here it is just in case)


Name: Alexander Thompson
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 61 Brookdale Rd Liverpool
Marital Status: Married 5yrs
Occupation: Cashier Wine Trade
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Registration District Number: 454
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park East
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 22286
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Thompson 32
Louisa Thompson 36
Charles Noel Thompson 1

1 child still living


Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
Corlett John Edward W. Derby 8b 770
Lang Louisa W.Derby 8b 770
THOMPSON Alexander W. Derby 8b 770
THOMPSON Henrietta W. Derby 8b 770