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Anthony
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3 Jul 2014 18:53 |
Thanks to all who have responded so far. Hopefully you will have received a direct reply to your inbox - if not message me and I will get back to you.
Think I've marked the thread as answered in error though
All very helpful info - some I already had -
I have official papers i.e. registering birth of his daughter (my nan) showing him as William Kelland and her as Annie Maria Kelland - though later records show them all as Baker. Also my nan's marriage lines have him as Wm Baker Kelland.
All very confusing - any further help / suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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3 Jul 2014 14:51 |
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1861 Census 3 Records found Piece: RG9/1498 Place: Winkleigh -Devon Enumeration District: 5 Civil Parish: Winkleigh Ecclesiastical Parish: Winkleigh Folio: 51 Page: 23 Schedule: 138 Address: Chamberses
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks BAKER John Head M M 28 Ag Lab Devon - Winkleigh BAKER Grace Wife M F 21 Devon - Winkleigh BAKER William John Son - M 1 Devon - Winkleigh
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Cynthia
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3 Jul 2014 14:11 |
I'll let Anthony know that he has replies to his query. :-)
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3 Jul 2014 10:34 |
Year Of Marriage 1929 First name(s) ALBERT B Last name KELLAND Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1929 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ ALBERT B KELLAND married MONA BROOKES Spouse's last name BROOKES District WARRINGTON County Lancashire Country England Volume 8C Page 271
First name(s) ALBERT B Last name KELLAND Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1902 Age 62 Death quarter 3 Death year 1964 District WARRINGTON County Lancashire Volume 10F Page 628 Country England
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3 Jul 2014 10:32 |
Births Sep 1895 (>99%) Kelland Bessie Warrington 8c 263 Scan available - click to view Deaths Dec 1897 (>99%) Kelland Bessie 2 Warrington 8c 139 Scan available - click to view
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3 Jul 2014 10:31 |
Births Mar 1902 (>99%) Kelland Albert Baker Warrington 8c 247 Scan available - click to view
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3 Jul 2014 10:30 |
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference KELLAND Bessie Warrington Warrington WAR/152/147 Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1896 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference KELLAND Mary Warrington Warrington WAR/157/31 Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1898 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference KELLAND William A Warrington Warrington WAR/165/440 Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1899 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference KELLAND Annie M Warrington Warrington WAR/171/370 Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1902 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference KELLAND Albert B Warrington Warrington WAR/181/145 Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1903 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference KELLAND Harold Warrington Warrington WAR/189/380 Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1905 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference KELLAND Bessie Warrington Warrington WAR/198/386 Total records matching : 7.
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MarieCeleste
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3 Jul 2014 09:46 |
By the way - welcome to the boards Anthony!
Could you tell us what information you have regarding other members of his family - e.g. his mother, siblings etc. that might help piece this together.
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Astra
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3 Jul 2014 09:41 |
1891 census
Name: Wm Baker Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Baker Gender: Male Where born: Devon, England Civil Parish: Warrington Ecclesiastical parish: St Elphin County/Island: Lancashire Household Members: Name Age Wm Baker 28 Sarah Ann Baker 25 Margaret Baker 1 Martha Baker 4/12
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MarieCeleste
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3 Jul 2014 09:38 |
It looks as though Ancestry has included another family on the 1911, this is the FMP version which reflects the image more accurately:
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census 10 Ellis St Warrington, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Maritalcondition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Baker Father Married Male 47 1864 Labourer Winkley Devonshire Sarah Ann Baker Mother Married Female 45 1866 - Padgate Lancashire Margret Baker Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Worker At Home Warrington Lancashire Sarah Ann Baker Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Garment Maker Warrington Lancashire Mary Alice Baker Daughter - Female 14 1897 - Warrington Lancashire William Baker Son - Male 12 1899 - Warrington Lancashire Annie Baker Daughter - Female 11 1900 - Warrington Lancashire Albert Baker Son - Male 9 1902 - Warrington Lancashire Harold Baker Son - Male 7 1904 - Warrington Lancashire Bessie Baker Daughter - Female 5 1906 - Warrington Lancashire
EDIT: Were all the children registered as Baker?
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MarieCeleste
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3 Jul 2014 09:28 |
If it's of any relevance, Cheshire BMD, tells us they married St Paul's:
ANTROBUS Sarah A KELLAND William Warrington, St Paul Warrington
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Astra
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3 Jul 2014 09:22 |
Name: William Baker Age in 1911: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation to Head: Father Gender: Male Birth Place: Winkley, Devonshire, England Civil Parish: Warrington County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 10 Ellis St Warrington Marital Status: Married Occupation: Labourer Registration district: Warrington Registration District Number: 459 Sub-registration district: Warrington ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Piece: 23160 Household Members: Name Age George Smith 51 Margaret Smith 55 George Edith 30 James Peter Smith 24 Isiah Smith 22 John William Monk 28 William Baker 47 Saray Ann Baker 45 Margret Baker 21 Sarah Ann Baker 17 Mary Alice Baker 14 William Baker 12 Annie Baker 11 Albert Baker 9 Harold Baker 7 Bessie Baker 5
he married as kelland to Sarah Antrobus I think
Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%) Kelland William Warrington 8c 233
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3 Jul 2014 08:43 |
Please C&P the 1911 details; I can't see him using your info
BTW, Warrington was lancs until 1974
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3 Jul 2014 08:37 |
Is this him?
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Churchey Water, Ashreigney, Torrington, Devon, England
Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Baker Head - Male 31 1840 - Devon Image Transcription Jane Baker Wife - Female 28 1843 - Devon Image Transcription William Baker Son - Male 10 1861 - Devon Image Transcription Ann Baker Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Devon Image Transcription Robert Baker Son - Male 4 1867 - Devon Image Transcription
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3 Jul 2014 08:32 |
Which name did he use when he married?
Who did he name as his father?
Do you have William's birth cert?
You refer to official documents; please say what they relate to
There is nothing for the name William Baker Kelland on freebmd or FMP
You ask why he used both names; illegitimacy is the obvious thought, but maybe you know that he wasn't.
If he'd been born out of wedlock to a Miss Baker, who later married a kelland, that could be one explanation
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Astra
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3 Jul 2014 07:23 |
Hi Anthony
Births Mar 1861 (>99%) Baker William Torrington 5b 499
Do you know who his parents were at all Anthony. Do you have his birth or marriage certificate to give us his parents names?
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Anthony
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2 Jul 2014 23:46 |
Anyone have any suggestions as to why my great grandfather might have been known under both names?
He was born in Winkleigh, Devon in 1861 - as a Baker although there are also numerous Kellands in the same village. He was known as William Baker Kelland n many official documents but on the 1911 census he is a Baker (in Warrington, Cheshire). The Kelland addition is a bit of a mystery that my dad - now 88 - has pondered over for some time. :-S
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