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Ann

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Help!! I am trying to find details of the life of Isabelle Mackenzie,b. 1826. married George Ross in 1849 in the old school house in Nigg. George was b.about 1826 in Edinburgh parish and is described as a stone cutter or mason. They had at least 7-8 children and by 1881 were in the census for Edinborough. We know nothing of either family.
Also my gggrandfather, John Lindsay. Married Margaret Eggo and lived in Cortachy,Clova and Angus. Margaret was baptised in z,1783. Of either the Lindsay or the Eggo we know nothing.
William Graham b. 1856 in Ayr and married a Martha Craig. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you all. Ann Ross

Another shot in the dark. How tantalising, but impossible to verify!


1841 Scotland Census about Alexr Ross
Name: Alexr Ross
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland
Civil Parish: Duddingston and South Leith
County: Midlothian
Address: Tobacco Street
Occupation: Labourer
Parish Number: 684
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Williamson 12 - labourer
John Williamson 10
Ann Williamson 48 - grocer
Margt Williamson 21
Nicolas Williamson 18
Alexr Ross 20
James Wkay [McKay ??] 20 - bottlemaker
James Watt 25 - potter
William Mitchell 14 - potter

Apart from a large number of Alexander Ross deaths 1820-41, which would mean spending a lot of credits to view the parents' names on all the records, there's this possibility below, but almost impossible to know if he's the right one or not.
Interestingly, he's a bookbinder!


1851 Scotland Census about Alexander Ross
Name: Alexander Ross
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relationship: Head
Spouse: Isabella Ross
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh
Parish Number: 821
Civil Parish: Dumfries
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Friars Vennel
Occupation: Bookbinder
ED: 5
Page: 7
Household schedule number: 28/2
LINE: 13
Roll: CSSCT1851_206
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Ross 31
Isabella Ross 32
James W Ross 2

As Isabella was born in Morton, Dumfries-shire, this would be their marriage. His father's name might perhaps be on the image, but info on old parish records (pre 1855) tends to be minimal.
30/11/1847 ROSS ALEXANDER ISABELLA WALLACE/FR348 (FR348) M MORTON /DUMFRIES 843/00 0020 0170

Hi Alviegal,
Yes you have the correct family, Duncan Ross (1) born 1824, d. 1825. Duncan Ross(2) was my G.G.Grandfather he was born to Hugh & Isabella 1828 and Married Sarah Ann Whyte in 1856 at Woolwich, he died in India 1862 of Rabies.
The Alexander Ross b. 1820 is the only person I have never been able to find and I am wondering if maybe he died as a child.
Thank you for your help.
Regards,
Syd

Is this William's birth?


1) Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 about William Ross
Name: William Ross
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 May 1831
Birth Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: Hugh Ross
Mother: Isabella Robertson
FHL Film Number: 1066691

and siblings.


2) Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 about John Ross
Name: John Ross
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 18 Jan 1826
Birth Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Baptism Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: Hugh Ross
Mother: Isabella Robertson
FHL Film Number: 1066691
Reference ID: 2:17PVTGG


and John's marriage.


Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910 about John Ross
Name: John Ross
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 18 Jun 1847
Marriage Place: Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Spouse: Mary Craig
FHL Film Number: 1066696



3) Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 about Duncan Ross
Name: Duncan Ross
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 25 Apr 1828
Birth Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Baptism Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: Hugh Ross
Mother: Isabella Robertson
FHL Film Number: 1066691
Reference ID: 2:18KXMR7


and his marriage, according to a tree on ancestry. Daughter Martha was born in 1857.

Year Of Marriage 1856
First name(s) DUNCAN
Last name ROSS
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1856
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ DUNCAN ROSS married
SARAH ANN WHYTE
Spouse's last name -
District GREENWICH
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 935



4) Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 about Alexander Ross
Name: Alexander Ross
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1820
Birth Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Baptism Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: Hugh Ross
Mother: Isobel Robertson
FHL Film Number: 1066691
Reference ID: 2:17PQKLC



5) Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 about Duncan Ross
Name: Duncan Ross
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 4 Jan 1824
Birth Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Baptism Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: Hugh Ross
Mother: Isobel Robertson
FHL Film Number: 1066691
Reference ID: 2:17PTBJ5



6) Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 about Catherine Ross
Name: Catherine Ross
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 22 Apr 1822
Birth Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Baptism Place: Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: Hugh Ross
Mother: Ichbald_ Robertson
FHL Film Number: 1066691
Reference ID: 2:17PS3SG

I think this was confirmed as the 1851 for Hugh and William? The occupation is not bookbinder though. Of course, he could have become one in the 9 years before he signed up, if that is his service record.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Pleasance, 48, St Cuthbert's, Barony of Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hugh Ross Head Widower Male 61 1790 Mason NIGG, ROSSSHIRE
Transcription
>>William Ross Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Shopkeeper Confectioner EDINR, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
Mary Ross Daughter-In-Law Widow Female 25 1826 Dress Maker EDINR, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
>>Hugh Ross Grand Son - Male 2 1849 - EDINR, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
Ann Craig Boarder Widow Female 71 1780 Pauper NOCHOLAS, ABERDEEN
Transcription
Margaret Robertson Lodger - Female 11 1840 Scholar EDINR, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
Ann Hilson Lodger - Female 9 1842 Scholar EDINR, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
Robert Conquer Lodger - Male 6 1845 Scholar ENGLAND


Possible 1841.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lawn Market Riddles Close, 322, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Hugh Ross Male 45 1796 Scotland
Occupation Mason J
Isabella Ross Female 43 1798 Scotland
Transcription
Catharine Ross Female 18 1823 Midlothian, Scotland
Transcription
John Ross Male 16 1825 Midlothian, Scotland
Occupation Printer Ap
Duncan Ross Male 14 1827 Midlothian, Scotland
Occupation Smith Ap
>>William Ross Male 10 1831 Midlothian, Scotland
Transcription
Michel Beveridge Male 20 1821 Scotland
Transcription
Thomas Beveridge Male 18 1823 Scotland
Transcription
William Wright Male 19 1822 Scotland
Transcription
David Reid Male 17 1824 Scotland

Yes I do realise that but as his occupation was a bookbinder on his Army records it could be a possibility. Thank you once again.
Regards,
Syd

I'm not saying the printer compositor is your William, necessarily, Syd. It's just a suggestion!

Thank you Alviegal & Argyllgran for the additional information that you kindly posted.
Best regards,
Syd

If he didn't die in 1880, and if he was a bookbinder before joining the army, I wonder if this could be him in 1891, in a vaguely related job?


1891 Scotland Census about William Ross
Name: William Ross
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinr, Midlothian
Registration Number: 685/4
Registration district: St Giles
Civil Parish: Edinburgh New North
County: Midlothian
Address: 13 Blair Street
Occupation: Printer Compositor <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED: 15
Household schedule number: 46
LINE: 7
Roll: CSSCT1891_350
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Fowler 59
Catherine Fowler 60
Mary G Fowler 22
John Brown 60
Frank Buchanan 44
William Ross 60
(and lots of other lodgers)

And maybe in 1881, though the age is a few years out:

1881 Scotland Census about William Ross
Name: William Ross
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh
Registration Number: 424
Registration district: Dunfermline
Civil Parish: Dunfermline
Town: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Occupation: Printer Compositor <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 248
LINE: 7
Roll: cssct1881_117
Household Members:
Name Age
George Clark 78
Margaret Clark 78
William Ross 52



1901???


1901 Scotland Census about William Ross
Name: William Ross
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Patient
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian, Edinburgh
Registration Number: 685/3
Registration district: Canongate
Civil Parish: Edinburgh Canongate
County: Midlothian
Address: Edinburgh
Occupation: Compositor Formerly <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED: Queensberry House
Household schedule number: 1
LINE: 11
Roll: CSSCT1901_381
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Hogg 59
Janet Hogg 21
John Russell 67
Peter Turbot 78
Alexander Munro 83
John Nicolson 75
Alexander Thomson 66
James Forman 86
Thomas Smail 69
Thomas Waterston 67
John Pentland 75
William Ross 70
(and many other patients)

The 1871 which William has already identified, and which I posted for our reference, is the correct one, with William living with his sister Catherine and her husband Andrew.

But the gunner from Leith may well be the one who died in 1880. If you view the image on SP, Syd, you'll find out whether it's your William who died, or some other William Ross.

The military record you found, Alviegal, re the man who was discharged in 1875, seems very likely the right one.

"Prinde Wife 103rd Rginergpet." is one of the mistranscriptions I mentioned, Syd.


If you look at the version of the 1871 census record posted by alviegal, it reads:
Private A M 103rd Regiment Of Foot

???

Gunner from Leith, Scotland.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print individual transcription View image
First name(s) William
Last name Ross
Relationship -
Marital condition -
Gender Male
Age 38
Birth year 1833
Birth town -
Birth county Scotland
House number -
House name -
Street Barracks Parish Of Subdeanry, New Broyle Road
Parish Subdeanry
City or borough Chichester
Town -
Village -
County Sussex
Country England
Municipal ward -
Parliamentary borough -
Ecclesiastical District -
Registration district Chichester

I am a bit confused with the Occupation of : Prinde Wife 103rd Rginergpet.
Can anyone Help ?
Thank you,
Syd

1871 on fmp.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New Bakers Land, 15, St Cuthbert Edinburgh, St Georges, Midlothian, Scotland
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Andrew Sutherland Head Married Male 68 1803 Seaman (Retired) Golspie, Sutherlandshire, Scotland
Transcription
Catherine Sutherland Wife Married Female 48 1823 - Midlothian, Scotland
Transcription
Andrew Sutherland Son - Male 9 1862 Scholar No Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Transcription
John Sutherland Son - Male 7 1864 Scholar No Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Transcription
Margaret Sutherland Daughter - Female 5 1866 Scholar No Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Transcription
William Ross Brother-In-Law Unmarried Male 39 1832 Private A M 103rd Regiment Of Foot Midlothian, Scotland


I wonder if this is him? He was a bookbinder, enlisted in Gravesend, Kent in 1860. Arrived in India in 1863 and was treated quite a few times for the effects of malaria.
His medical record seems to read :Parkhurst? 6.2.71 (when he arrived) revaccinated 21 April 1871 then Aldershot? 25.6.72 (when he arrived) conjunctivitis between 9 Oct and 12 Nov 1872. He had completed 12 years service.
He was discharged in 1875 in Devonport. He was unfit due to impaired vision.




British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
Print individual transcription View image
First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name ROSS
Birth year 1834
Birth parish EDINBURGH
Birth town EDINBURGH
Birth county MIDLOTHIAN
Birth country SCOTLAND
Service number 3645
Rank PRIVATE
Regiment Royal Dublin Fusiliers - 102nd & 103rd Foot
Document Type Discharge
Attestation year 1860
Attestation Day 25
Attestation Month 1
Attestation age years 26
Attestation age months -
Discharge Corps 103RD REG OF FUSILIERS
Discharge service number 3645
Series chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913

There's this death on SP (I think both records are for the same death). Wrong part of Edinburgh, but you never know.
It's the only William Ross death in Midlothian 1871-1881, of the right age

1880 ROSS WILLIAM M 48 LEITH NORTH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 692/01 0264

1880 ROSS WILLIAM M 48 LEITH SOUTH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 692/02 0336

This is him in 1871, which you have already found. Some mistranscription in this Ancestry version.

It implies Catherine was his daughter, not his sister, although that must be another mistranscription, judging by their ages.

He's a soldier in 1871, so could have been away with his regiment in later years?


1871 Scotland Census about William Ross
Name: William Ross
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relationship: Father-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
Town: Edinburgh
County: Midlothian
Address: No 15 New Lakes Land
Occupation: Prinde Wife 103rd Rginergpet
ED: 82
Household schedule number: 112
LINE: 18
Roll: CSSCT1871_157
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Sutherland 63
Catherine Sutherland 48
Andrew Sutherland 49
John Sutherland 7
Margaret Sutherland 5
William Ross 39

Hello Ann,
Thanks to you and others I have traced my Hugh Ross (b. 1848) to Battle Creek Michigan U.S.A. he married there and had a family and died there in 1915. I am now trying to find Hugh,s Uncle he was William Ross b. Edinburgh 1831, I have found him up till 1871 living with his sister Catherine (b. 1823) they were living at 15, New Bakers Land St Cuthbert Edinburgh. after that date I cannot find him at all, have you any idea where I maybe could find what happened to him after 1871?
Thanks for any help or advice.
Best wishes,
Syd

?????????????

Name: William Ross
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1851
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birthplace: Edinburgh
County: Moray
Birth Year (Estimated): 1832
GS Film number: 1042101