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Yes Pat....a minefield indeed! And my lot - well at least this generation of the family moved all around the UK...from Wolverhampton to Lanark back to Wolverhampton then to Shropshire back to Wolverhampton before moving (for good) to Newport. All following the iron and steel industry.

Jude

Jude, I have lots of relatives in this area. I found it a minefield as my relatives sometimes registered BMDs in Dudley and others in Stourbridge even within the same family.

My grandfather was born Kingswinford and was registered in Dudley, his marriage in Kingswinford registered in Stourbridge as are my 3 aunts and 1 uncle births. Grandfather's brother born Pensnett registered Stourbridge. I've had fun with that lot. :-)

Just in case you didn't manage to access it:

CountyStaffordshire
PlaceDudley Staffs
ChurchSt Edmund
RegisterNumber343
MarriageDate25 Dec 1866
GroomForenameAndrew
GroomSurnameHOMER
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomConditionBachelor
GroomOccupationCollier
GroomAbodeDudley
BrideForenameSarah Ann
BrideSurnameFENN
BrideAge19
BrideParish
BrideConditionSpinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbodeDudley
GroomFatherForenameAndrew
GroomFatherSurnameHOMER
GroomFatherOccupationCollier
BrideFatherForename?
BrideFatherSurname?
BrideFatherOccupation?
WitnessOneForenameThomas
WitnessOneSurnameSHAKESPEARE
WitnessTwoForenameEliza
WitnessTwoSurnameHOMER
Notes Bride's father's details not recorded - just reads deceased. Bride & both Witnesses sign X

FileNumber35584

Yes Flip I HAD missed it...probably because I was trying to look at the link to see Eliza as a witness at Andrew's marriage and kept failing dismally!

THanks

Jude

Hi Jude, just goes to prove age doesn't really matter!

Have you missed Chris's post of 14 August - she found the christenings for Andrew and Cornelius on Freereg - both christened 7/2/1847 at St Marks, Pensnett. I've just looked at the transcript and parents are correct on both these entries.

Yes Flip :-)

I find it quite funny how time has changed perceptions - or maybe not! I am three and a half years older than my husband and now I am nearly 57 and he is 53 it is fine.

But we met when he was (just) 19 and I was 22 and a half. IF I had known how young he was, I wouldn't have gone out with him. When he proposed (five days later!!!!) I was already smitten and so when I found out his age, it was too late. And now we have been married nearly 32 years...but it could all have been so different :-)

As far as I can tell Sidonia and Sarah Ann - born 1834 and 1836 respectively were baptised 05/02/1837. Jane supposedly the same day in 1832 which I think is too much of a coincidence.

Then I can find Mary in 1839 and then Joseph and grandson George Henry (as their son) on 10/08/1856.

But Andrew, Eliza, Cornelius and Martha do not appear to have been baptised. Nor the other grandson who became a "son"...John born 1857

So who knows?!

But as I say I'd recommend the extra 75p or so to go to the district registrar!

Jude

Well, her husband John Cording was 6 years her junior, so hardly surprising she lied about her age at the marriage and a couple of the census returns. Couldn't be seen to have a "toy boy". At least you've got there with her now.

Still strange she wasn't christened though, I'd have thought they'd have gone for the "job lot" when they christened Andrew & Cornelius - must have forgotten they hadn't had her done.

She was registered as "plain" Eliza....she wasn't baptised as far as I can see....so she must have assumed her mother's name as her middle name.

Sylvia actually appears as Selvay on the birth certificate.

I have a lot of births in Dudley so definitely a place to go if I need any more!

I now have "the full set" on Eliza :-) though I am still missing three children born and died between censuses. I have already shelled out £30.00 trying to identify them (and as in the post on this, the three I managed to get were not only not mine, they were siblings)!

She was a wonder with her age....not sure she would get away with it nowadays lol :-)

:-D Pleased to have been of some service ;-)

But they are really quick! I posted the cheque on Friday with the requested SAE so they wouldn't have had it until Tuesday and I got it back today!

Thanks everybody for the tip/link to the Dudley office - came up absolutely trumps and well worth the additional 25 pence + SAE!

The form also allows for you to add the expected parents - so if this HAD been the wrong one then I suspect they wouldn't have issued it!

For info she was born 27 August 1844 and registered on 21 September (so yes Flip spot on!!!!!!!!!!!!)

:-)

Absolutely Flip! Shame they don't do it online!

Jude

Jude, I've posted the most likely correlation - the Q3 birth where other children registered in the sub district are on nearby entries in the local registers, and on the same GRO ref as Eliza.

Must be worth the extra 75p though to go to WMbmd though.

Yes Mary that's her....John her husband was in St Cadoc's a local mental hospital where he died six years later...if you go back to the original post you'll see she was very fluid with her year of birth :-)

Flip I am going to order from WMid because as you say she is the only one who comes up Dudley sub-district ...just wondered if there was a correlation. I'm on a bad week this week - out of four certificates two were right and two were wrong

Jude

I don't know if this is relavent

1911 she is in Newport Wales,census signed by her?
Eliza SELVIA born Woodside Dudley age 68 + 1843.

Maryb.

Someone on the same GRO ref as Eliza in Q3 is Charlotte Malpass - she was born in the dudley sub district, her reference on WMbmd is DUD/020/315, whereas Eliza's was DUD/020/319 so fairly close together (the last 3 digits are the entry number I believe). They must have been registered very close together. The GRO reference is 18/271.

Don't blame me if you waste another £9.25, but another on 18/271 is Elizabeth Silvers, bmd ref DUD/020/314.

Trouble is you have 3 births in 1844, Tipton, Dudley and Rowley regis - and no quarters given on WMbmd. You already have one, so if you order the other from GRO it's a 50/50 chance you'll get it right.

Cheers one and all - especially you Mary (for saving me £9.25 with Sylvia!!)

Is there any way of correlating the Dudley bmd to GRO?

The one I bought that's not her is sub-district Rowley Regis so that bodes well!

Jude

HOMER ELIZA F 1844 D/B/DUD/020 319

(also on below, not seen this BMD one before!)

http://www4.dudley.gov.uk/rbmdsearch/


http://www.dudley.gov.uk/resident/living/registration-service/

Chris :)

The Sylvia 1843 looks to be with parents John and Elizabeth 1851,so maybe not yours

Maryb

I'd be tempted to order from WMbmd as they record sub-registration districts. If the births for Andrew & Cornelius are correct then they were in the Dudley sub-district - as Eliza was born between them (1851 census), then it would look likely she was born same district - and there's only one:


West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1844
Surname Forename(s)
Sub-District Registers At Reference

HOMER Eliza Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/020/319

They don't have an online service, but if you look you can fill in the application form and post it - cost is £10, so not bad.