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My grandfather Frederick William Crann born 14th April 1911 died August 1991 (where exact DOB came from) married my grandmother Elsie Frances Cooper 24th December 1929 at the register office St Marylebone, London.

He is too young to be on the 1911 census, his marriage certificate states that his father is Henry Crann (deceased) Stoker RN and he is a private 106911854 in the rifle brigade.

I can't find his birth (ordered a St Marylebone birth certificate and didn't have the right DOB, father's name or occupation on) also can't find his father on the 1911 census or his fathers death.

It is rumoured that Crann may have been a stepfathers surname but I am unable to find out anymore information as my mother has Alzheimer's.

Can anyone help point me in the right direction?

Thanks

Hi Katie

Could you post the details of the witnesses and the address on the marriage certificate please

:-)

Hi Katie and welcome to the boards.

Is this the birth cert you ordered.....


Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
Crann Frederick W Marylebone 1a 449

I can't see a medal card for Henry Crann, if he served in WW1 he would have had one

Frederick could have made up his fathers details for the marriage? His DOB may or may not be correct, the information given by the informant of his death may not have given the correct details

There are two other Crann births in Marylebone that I thought I would check out on the 1911 census.

Unfortunately they both died in infancy.


Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
Crann Rose Alice E Marylebone 1a 472

Deaths Dec 1908 (>99%)
CRANN Rose Alice E 0 Paddington 1a 27


Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
CRANN George Henry Marylebone 1a 448


Deaths Dec 1909 (>99%)
CRANN George Henry 0 Marylebone 1a 336

Even though you say it's the wrong one.......

Please can you give us the information from the Birth cert you have.

Prickles. :-)

As Katie is a new member......I will send her a PM in case she doesn't know how to return to this thread.

Marriage Certificate 24 Dec 1929 St Marylebone
Frederick Wiliam Crann 18years Bachelor Private 106911854 Rifle Brigade 37 Hampden Street, Paddington Henry Crann Deceased Stoker R N
Elsie Frances Cooper 18years Spinster 2 Linhope Street, St Marylebone Henry John Cooper Bottle Washer
Witnesses - H.J. Cooper (Brides Father) A Marshall

Birth Certificate 18 Apr 1911 Queen Charlottes Hospital St Marylebone Frederick William Boy George William Crann Coachpainter Journeyman of St Marylebone. Rose Elizabeth Crann formerly Newman. 81 Earl Street, St Marylebone.

He would have been too young to be in WW1 as he was born in 1911.

OK........so the parents on that birth cert are referring to this couple....


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about George William Crann (Painter)
Estimated birth year:abt 1887
Age:21
Spouse:Rose Lizzie Newman
Spouse Age:18
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:2 Mar 1908
Parish:St Mary Magdalene, Paddington
Borough:Westminster
Father Name:Charles Crann
Spouse Father:Joseph William Newman
Register Type:Parish Register



1911 England Census
about George Crann Name:George Crann
Age in 1911:23
Estimated birth year:abt 1888
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish:St Marylebone
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:81 Earl Street, Lisson Grove N W
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:COACH PAINTER
Registration district:St Marylebone

Household Members:

George Crann 23
Rose Crann 21

(2 children born and died.......so probably the two children i posted earlier)

1911 81 Earl Street
George Crann 23 married 3 years a coachpainter 2 children born alive 2 died
Rose 21 born Islington.

So this also looks like the parents of the two children given earlier and who died!!

Edit,it sure looks like the same family.
Rose E Newman born 1890 married George Crann 2/3/1908 her dad Joseph Newman.

Rose E Cann married 22/1/1949 to Henry Herbert Larcombe.
father of Rose was Joseph Newman her address was 53,HAMPDEN Cresent Paddington (same Hampden Street/Cresent Frederick married from)??

There is a tree on Ancestry with above marriage cert on,it states henry and Rose had lived together at same address for years.

Rose E larcombe 1890 died June 1956 Henry died 1958.
Henry H larcombe died 25/1/1958 effects £1309 5 1d to Frederick William Crann press operator
Maryb

same address as marriage cert of Frederick William Crann

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Rose Elizabeth Crann

Year: 1930

County or Borough: Westminster

Ward or Division/Constituency:
Paddington

Street address: 37 Hampden Street

living with Henry Herbert Larcombe, John Alfred Newman and Olivia Mary Newman

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005

Name: Rose E Crann

Spouse Surname:Larcombe

Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1949

Registration district:Paddington

Inferred County:London
Volume Number:5e
Page Number:366

Find Spouse: Herbert Henry Larcombe

Katie

'He would have been too young to be in WW1 as he was born in 1911'

I was talking about his father

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906


Name:George William Crann

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:1 May 1891

Father's Name:Charles Thomas Crann

Mother's name:Emma Crann

Parish or Poor Law Union:St Marylebone

Borough:Westminster
Register Type:Parish Registers

DATE OF BIRTH - 12th July 1887

of no use.....but

37 Hampden street was occupied by James Henry White (Maidstone Kent) and family in 1911

He didn't move far....

London, England, Electoral Registers,
Name: Frederick William Crann
Year: 1934
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: Paddington
Street address: 52 Hampden Street

Misty x

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about Henry Herbert Larcombe Name:Henry Herbert Larcombe
Probate Date:14 Apr 1958
Death Date:25 Jan 1958
Death Place:London, England
Registry:London, England

Of 53 Hampden Cresent, London.

To Frederick William Crann...press operator.

Effects: £1309 5s 1d

George Crann in 1913 was at 31 Hampden Street.

father of George William Crann bap 1/5/1891 was Charles Thomas Crann and Emma of 15 Earl Street.

Charles Thomas married 1/4/1883 to Emma Weaver (address for both Earl Street dad William Weaver.
dad of Charles was Frederick William Crann (ring a bell)

Maryb.

Brilliant job Mary.....looks like you cracked it

Misty x

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Rose E Crann Name:Rose E Crann
Spouse Mame: Henry H Larcombe
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1949
Registration district:Paddington
Inferred County:London
Volume Number:5e
Page Number:366

It seems you do have the right Birth Cert after all Katie. x