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Frederick William Crann --I've hit a block

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PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 21 Aug 2014 21:54

I am giving this thread a "Nudge" for you Katie........so that it goes to the top of the board.

Katie

Katie Report 21 Aug 2014 16:39

Thank you all so very much for your help.

Can anyone find the death of his father though? George Crann?

Thanks

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Aug 2014 22:18

OR he might have been so young when his father disappeared and Henry appeared on the scene that he knew no different

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 17 Aug 2014 21:14

Hi Katie

Frederick William might have put Henry Crann on his marriage certificate to "Save Face"

He might not have actually known who his father was.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 17 Aug 2014 20:54

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Albert Frederich Crann Name:Albert Frederich Crann
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:1 Apr 1891
Born 12 Dec? 1889
Father's Name:Charles Crann (Carman) 15 Earl Street
Mother's name:Emma Crann
Parish or Poor Law Union:St Marylebone
Borough:Westminster
Register Type:Parish Registers

Baptised at the same time...

Ada Elizabeth Crann Born 25 March 1885
Charles Thomas Born 15 August 1883

Mary

Mary Report 17 Aug 2014 18:36

Charles Crann about 1863 died 1900 1a 90
on burial says died 16/1/1900 saint Marylebone.

Cant find Emma.

Maryb.

Choccy

Choccy Report 17 Aug 2014 18:00


can't seem to find the whereabouts of his parents :-S

Choccy

Choccy Report 17 Aug 2014 17:59


suspect he was sent to Canada as a 'Barnardos boy' or similar


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Wm Crann

Gender: Male

Age: 14

Birth Date: abt 1898

Departure Date: 30 Aug 1912

Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

Destination Port: Quebec, Canada

Ship Name: Victorian

Shipping line: Allan Line
Official Number: 121216
Master: E Outram


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 17 Aug 2014 17:50

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about William James Crann Name:William James Crann
Registration Year:1897
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Marylebone
Inferred County:London
Volume:1a
Page:569


1911 England Census
about William Crann Name:William Crann
Age in 1911:14
Estimated birth year:abt 1897
Relation to Head:Inmate
Gender:Male
Birth Place:London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish:St John-at-Hackney
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:Hackney Union Childrens Homes, Sidney Road, Homerton N E
Registration district:Hackney

William Crann 14 Marylebone London



Katie

Katie Report 17 Aug 2014 17:13

Thank you very much!
So why would he put the wrong info on his Marriage certificate then?

Choccy

Choccy Report 17 Aug 2014 17:02

Whilst searching, came across this -


England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976

Name: William James Crann

Birth Date: 10 Feb 1897

Father's Name: Charles Thomas Crann

Mother's name: Emma Crann

(3rd Feb 1963)
CRANN, Estate of William James Crann, born 10th Feb 1897 decd. Parents Charles Thomas Crann and Emma Crann, formerly of 3A Salisbury Street, Paddington, W2.
Will anyone having information or knowledge of family of the above, please communicate with Canada Permanent Toronto General Trust Co. 283 Portage Avenue, Winnipeg 2, Manitoba, Canada


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Aug 2014 16:58

http://apps.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=174-hd2179&cid=-1#-1

(above has below, if relating)

Both families had Lidgate and London connections. The three brothers served on the Western Front during the First World War. Only William survived. As well as trench life, topics include family news, Lidgate, past times.

Chris :)

edits (looks like not to relate, just seen Choccy's post!)

Gee

Gee Report 17 Aug 2014 16:53

Well done girls!

I have no idea about this but here goes


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name:George Cran

Probate Date:6 Mar 1942

Death Date:13 Nov 1941

Death Place:Aberdeen, Scotland

Registry:Llandudno

Confirmation of Jessie Cran, spinster


Below on the same record is Jessie Cran, spinster of 101 Hilton Rd, Aberdeen died 28th April 1942, confirmation of William George Loggie, police constable


SP has these deaths


Statutory Register Deaths 1941 - 1942 2 matches

Mary

Mary Report 17 Aug 2014 16:38

John Alfred Newman age 22 of 37,Hampden Street married Olive Mary Wheeler 13/2/1916 his father Joseph Newman a builder.

Maryb

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 17 Aug 2014 16:26

Hmm........ok Choccy.

I wonder what happened to him?

Choccy

Choccy Report 17 Aug 2014 16:22


George William Crann seems to have disappeared. Can't see WW1 death or any other obvious death for him.

Wonder why Rose waited until 1949 to marry Herbert Larcombe - perhaps that's a clue!

Choccy

Choccy Report 17 Aug 2014 16:20

that's not him :-|


CRANN, GEORGE

Rank:SerjeantService No:1280
Date of Death:25/09/1915
Age:20
Regiment/Service:London Regiment (City of London Rifles) 6th Bn.
Grave Reference:Special Memorial 44.
Cemetery:MAROC BRITISH CEMETERY, GRENAY

Additional Information:Son of Ellen Crann, of Lidgate, Newmarket, Suffolk, and the late Alfred John Crann.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 17 Aug 2014 16:17

???

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
about George Crann Name:George Crann
Birth Place:New Cross
Residence:Peckham
Death Date:25 Sep 1915 Death Place:
France and Flanders
Enlistment Place:London
Rank:Sergeant
Regiment:London Regiment
Battalion:6th (City of London) Battalion (Rifles)
Regimental Number:1280
Type of Casualty:Killed in action
Theatre of War:Western European Theatre



British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
about George Crann Name:George Crann
Regiment or Corps:London Regiment
Regimental Number:1280

Choccy

Choccy Report 17 Aug 2014 16:07

Step-father Herbert Henry Larcombe appears to have been the Stoker in the RN



England, The National Roll of the Great War, 1914-1918


Name: H. H. Larcombe

Military Date: May 1916

Residence Year: Abt 1914

Residence Place: 37, Hampden Street, PAddington, England

Rank:1st Class Stoker

Regiment:Royal Navy

Section:Section II, London

Joined May 1916 and during his service was on board HM ships Eclipse, Cambrian, Seal, Highflier and Leasowe Castle. Engaged on important patrol and convoy duties in the North Sea and Mediterranean and was on board the last named vessel when she was torpedoed. Also present at the great explosion at Halifax Harbour in December 1917.
In February 1919 he was demobilised holding the General Service and Victory medals.


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 17 Aug 2014 16:00

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Rose E Larcombe Name:Rose E Larcombe
Birth Date:abt 1890
Date of Registration:Jun 1956
Age at Death:66
Registration district:Paddington
Inferred County:London
Volume:5d
Page:207