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8 Sep 2014 18:52 |
Baron Tanenberg was born in Leeds in 1877 - I have traced him to 1907, when his world changed. In 1901 he moved to Chorlton cum medlock and was a waterproof garment maker - where he lived with his aunt and uncle. On 11th October 1903 he and Jessie Maggs had their first child, Edna Alice May Tanenberg (I am still awaiting her birth certificate - as family say she was born in Chorlton but Freebdm records and Genes have her as Edna Alice May Tenenberg born in West Ham, Essex). Their second daughter Frederica Elsa was born in Chorlton Cum Medlock in 1905, her birth certificate showes Baron Tanenberg - a cinematographer - as her father and Jessie Tanenberg as her mother - although I have the marriage certificate for Baron Tanenberg and Jessie Maggs, which shows they were married in Chorlton in 1907 - and also the death certificate of Jessie who died on October 5th 1907 from TB, age 21. This death certificate gives Barons profession as cinematographer and he was present at the death, in their home 26 Braemar Road, Rusholme, South Manchester. I cannot find trace of Baron Tanenberg or his daughters in 1911. This daughter Frederica was sworn to secrecy by her sister, Edna, about a name change and difficult circumstances which they endured. Frederica only divulged this before her death in 2002. It is believed that Baron changed their name, as he was involved in the film industry in America. It is believed this is when their surname was changed to BARRIE, Aunt Freda said that he was also a survivor on the Lusitania - I have seen evidence that Edward Barrie was a survivor on the Lusitania and that he was "the best known man in the motion picture world", however she reports that after this incident he returned to Birmingham and they never saw him again (Encyclopedia Titanica - Lest we forget the Lusitania - and the passenger list published). I have seen a picture the family have of the SAAR CONCERT PARTY Imperial players under the management of Edward Barrie - excerpt from the Imperial Club Magazine Summer 1935. Edna (using the surname Barrie) first married in 1924 to John Clinton, whom died of TB a short time later - at the time of her marriage her address was 26 Warwick Road, Blackpool. On her marriage certificate - which I have seen - she gives her father as Edward Barrie, Deceased - maybe this is because she never saw him after the Lusitania. Edna married again in 1934 to Frederick Sylvester in Blackpool. Frederica (known as Freda Barrie,during her show career) married Francis G Roleston, 1934 in Blackpool - she also gives Edward Barrie as the father and his occupation as Film Director. It is believed that Edna and Frederica spent time in the Munition factories in Manchester or in a workhouse/orphanage - again I cannot find them in 1911 census.Both girls spent time in the Tiller Girls, and Freda continued with her professional dancing career often starring with Jimmy Clitheroe. Edna, once married gave up her acting career.
Edward Barrie was a partner of Edgar Hounsell, another film producer whom often travelled abroad. There is a question as to whether Baron Tanenberg joined the American Armed Forces at some point.
If anyone can point me in the right direction to track Baron Tanenberg or Edward Barrie it would be most appreciated. I guess the main question is - were Edna and Freda adopted by Edward or did Baron Tanenberg change his name. Thanks for reading this - I hope I have made the information I already have easy to follow, although the whole thing is quite complicated. Many thanks Barrie - Edna's son.
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8 Sep 2014 18:59 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 9, Craven Terrace, Leeds, Yorkshire, England Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Marcus Tannenberg Head Married Male 28 1853 Jeweller & Silversmith Leeds, Yorkshire, England Image Transcription Alice Tannenberg Wife Married Female 27 1854 - Bath, Somerset, England Image Transcription Baron Tannenberg Son Single Male 4 1877 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England Image Transcription Alexr Tannenberg Son Single Male 2 1879 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England Image Transcription Rosetta Tannenberg Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England Image Transcription Carthe A Body Servant Single Female 24 1857 Domestic Servant Andover, Hampshire, England Image Transcription Mary A Coldwell Servant Single Female 16 1865 Domestic Servant Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
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8 Sep 2014 19:07 |
1891 England Census about Baron Tanenberg Name: Baron Tanenberg Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: West Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3697 Folio: 23 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Edwin W Smith 30 Margaret Smith 25 Edwin T V Smith 3 Grace Smith 27 Frances A Rearden 20 Abraham Rymer 24 Eliza Atkisson 71 Marcus Tanenberg 38 Baron Tanenberg 14 Alexander Tanenberg 12 Rosetta Tanenberg 11 View Original Record
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Working on the principal that the siblings descendants might have info?
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AnnCardiff
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8 Sep 2014 20:23 |
Event Type: Marriage Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year: 1892 Registration District: Leeds County: Yorkshire Event Place: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Volume: 9B Page: 908 Line Number: 344 Marcus Tanenberg probably married one of the following people
Name: Annie Goldstone Name: Sarah Rebecca Simon
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Chris Ho :)
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8 Sep 2014 21:39 |
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription (Find My Past) First name(s) EDWARD Last name BARRY Gender Male Age 38 Birth year 1877 Occupation FILM RENTER Departure year 1915 Departure day 9 Departure month 4 Departure port LIVERPOOL Destination port NEW YORK Destination NEW YORK Country United States Destination country United States Ship name ST PAUL Ship official number 116693 Ship master's first name S M Ship master's last name PASSOW Shipping line AMERICAN LINE City LIVERPOOL Ship destination port NEW YORK Ship destination country USA Ship square feet 2363 Ship registered tonnage 5874 Number of passengers 349
(with Edgar Hounsell)
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 (Ancestry) Name: Edward Barry Arrival Date: 19 Apr 1915 Birth Date: abt 1877 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: Leeds Age: 38 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: St Paul
(26, Warwick Road, Blackpool, going to Cousin Ralph Davis, Collins? Building W 34 St. N Y)
Chris :)
(a wife)
10 May 1915 - Birmingham Gazette - Birmingham, West Midlands, England
GRAPHIC MIDLAND STORIES OF THE LUSITANIA Mr. E. Barry, of the Midland Exclusive Film Company, one of the survivors, who lives with his wife at the Globe Hotel. Manchester-street, Birmingham, the landlord, Mr. F. W. Robbins, being an old friend of his. Mr. Barry is one of the best known men in the moving picture world.
1911 First name(s) Francis William Last name Robbins Relationship to household head Head Marital condition Married Gender Male Age 46 Birth year 1865 Birth place Birmingham Warwickshire Occupation Licensed Manager Address Queens Arms Newhall St Parish Birmingham County Warwickshire Census reference RG14PN18069 RG78PN1097 RD384 SD3 ED9 SN46
Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915 (Ancestry) Name: Frederica Elsa Tanenberg Baptism Date: 8 Apr 1906 Parish: Manchester, St Paul, Brunswick Street Parish as it Appears: Chorlton on Medlock, St Paul Father's Name: Baron Tanenberg Mother's name: Jessie Tanenberg (abode, 17, St. Leonards Street)
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ArgyllGran
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8 Sep 2014 22:18 |
This could well be a red herring, but it's interesting (Actually, I think it's right!):
1911 England Census about Ethel Barry Name: Ethel Barry Age in 1911: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Paddington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 93 Praed Street Marital Status: Married Years Married: 8 Estimated Marriage Year: 1903 Registration district: Paddington Registration District Number: 1 Sub-registration district: Paddington South ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Piece: 80 Household Members: Name Age Ethel Barry 24 Edna Barry 8 born East Ham, Essex <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Freda Barry 6 - born Manchester <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On the line above Ethel's name, Edward Barry has been scored out. Age 34, no POB listed, occupation "Fil* Operator" . I can't make out the rest of the word starting with Fil. There seems to be a letter with a tail, but it may have been overwritten with "m".
I can't see any marriage between an Edward Barry and an Ethel , 1901-1905.
There are also no births to match the daughters' names/ages/POB's.
That household also contains a family of boarders, surname Buttery. Edward & Alice, with daughters Ethel and Elsie, all born Marylebone.
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Kay????
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8 Sep 2014 22:42 |
Marcus Tanenberg and son Nathaniel Jewellers Trading as , Marcus Tanenberg and Son. in Leeds/Yorkshire went into recivership and bankrupt by 1890,,this appears in the Gazette via the National Archive uk site.....
If a name was changed by deedpoll the National Archives at Kew London have books,,,,,,dates,,,,
1851 to 2003,
1851 to 1903,,,,,Ref --C75, 1903 to 2003,,,,,,Ref- -J18, these items have to be pre-ordered and a booked place,,,,,,any copies can be bought,
1945--2003 is a walk-in and read service but requires a readers ticket,which can be got on the day or the use of a national library card,,,,,,
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MaureeninNY
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8 Sep 2014 23:02 |
On the voyage shown by Chris (above) he names a sister,Mrs HALLWORTH of Blackpool. I guess that's Rosetta neeTanenberg .
Maureen
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ArgyllGran
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8 Sep 2014 23:13 |
??? Occupation: theatrical.
UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Edward Barry Name: Edward Barry Birth Date: abt 1879 Age: 34 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 20 Sep 1913 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: Plymouth Ship Name: Olympic Search Ship Database: View the 'Olympic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: White Star Dominion Line Official Number: 131346
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ArgyllGran
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8 Sep 2014 23:17 |
Aha! This is why he was scored off the 1911 census I posted above (assuming that's the right census record, with Ethel & daughters, and I think it is):
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Edward Barry Name: Edward Barry Arrival Date: 10 Mar 1911 Birth Date: abt 1878 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: Leeds Age: 33 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Mauretania Search Ship Database: Search the Mauretania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Occupation: cinematographer. NOK in UK: Uncle, A W Davies, 27 Montrose Avenue, Queen's Park, London. Going to: Uncle, C Davis, 45 West 35th Street, NY
5' 8.5", fresh complexion, auburn hair, blue eyes.
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8 Sep 2014 23:39 |
1911 England Census Albert Woolf Davis Age in 1911: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Bath, England Civil Parish: Willesden County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 27 Montrose Avenue N W Marital Status: Married Years Married: 8 Estimated Marriage Year: 1903 Occupation: Advertising Agent Registration district: Willesden Registration District Number: 129 Sub-registration district: Willesden ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Household schedule number: 216 Piece: 6994 Albert Woolf Davis 58 Hester Ellen Davis 35 Margaretta Davis 7 Josephine Davis 5 Rosettia May Davis 4 Bena Sophy Davis 3 Fanny Amey 60 mother widow Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 6994; Schedule Number: 216.
Just for ref. Fanny and Hester in 1881
1881 England Census Hester E. Amey Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Alfd. Amey Mother: Fanny Amey Gender: Female Where born: Dorking, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Dorking County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: South Street The Cricketers Registration district: Dorking Sub-registration district: Dorking ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Piece: 796 Folio: 53 Page Number: 15 Alfd. Amey 34 Fanny Amey 28 Hester E. Amey 5 Florence Amey 4 Henry Amey Chas. Townend 23 Joseph Flutchlarie 25 Augt. H. Hucliffe 36 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 796; Folio: 53; Page: 15; GSU roll: 1341187.
Added; Slight untruth with marriage date: Marriages Mar 1913 Amey Hester E Davis Paddington 1a 112 Davis Albert W Amey Paddington 1a 112
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Diana
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9 Sep 2014 08:20 |
Wow - you are all so wonderful. This is a lot to take in so I will have to study it thoroughly. Many many thanks to you all.
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Kay????
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9 Sep 2014 08:44 |
The addresses given for Marcus and Nathaniel are,1888--1890.
32 Trinity Road Leeds Yorkshire. 73,Park Road Newcastle-on-Tyne.
They appear to have traded as jewellers at two shops.
Many of the Tanenbergs left Wills,,,,,,perhaps Baron /Edward is mentioned.?
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Chris Ho :)
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9 Sep 2014 09:44 |
Wonder if Edward married Ethel abroad... (if they got married!)
Interesting man...
Chris :)
(from that 1911 Ethel Barry Head Married Female 24 1887 London Marylebone, don't suppose below!)
Births Jun 1887 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------- BARRY Ethel Beatrice Marylebone 1a 596
edits (no, she is in Kensington 1911)
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2014 10:06 |
As Baron/Edward's wife Jessie didn't die until 1907, and as the 1911 census claims that Edward & Ethel had been married for 8 years, either E&E weren't married, or were married bigamously (perhaps he could get away with it when using a different name??).
E&E may not even have been together for 8 years - maybe they just said that to look respectable, given Edna's age.
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2014 10:22 |
It occurs to me that Baron's marriage to Jessie was in 1903 - ie - 8 years before 1911.
Perhaps he just transferred that year to his supposed marriage to Ethel.
EDIT: No, I'm wrong - B&J married in 1907 - see Diana's OP and Chris's post below.
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ArgyllGran
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9 Sep 2014 10:57 |
Baron/Edward's Davis/Davies uncles are on his mother's side (and is this perhaps a sister marrying at the same time?);
Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%) DAVIS Alice Marylebone 1a 1144 DAVIS Gertrude Marylebone 1a 1144 STETTINER Henri Julius Marylebone 1a 1144 TANENBERG Marcus Marylebone 1a 1144
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Chris Ho :)
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9 Sep 2014 11:00 |
Wondering about that Edward Buttery wife Alice 1911...says Married 6 yrs, not the one in 1907 Kingston, they are there 1911...
(also, notes 1911 signed by Mrs? E Barry and E Buttery)
Chris :)
(below was Baron, all seems odd, lol)
1907 TANENBERG Baron MAGGS Jessie Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/185/143
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php
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Choccy
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9 Sep 2014 11:44 |
Marriages Dec 1905
BUTTERY Albert Edward Marylebone 1a 1271 GAUL Alice Edith Marylebone 1a 1271
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Mary
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9 Sep 2014 11:49 |
Edward Buttery married as Albert Edward to Alice Edith Gaul.
Alice Edith Gaul parents George Gaul and Jane maybe nee Perkins married 14/11/1881 they also had Ethel Lavinia baptised 1888 Marylebone.
Ethel lavinia married 1908 Lambeth to Frank Albert Sheppard but I can't find them 1911.
Then there is a tree with Alfred B Coureau which states he was with Ethel Lavinia Gaul and had Alfred B Coureau 13/2/1920 died 13/2/1976 There was also a Aline M Coureau born hammersmith 1915 nee Gaul!! Louis Valentine Coureau 1921 mum Sheppard
Maryb.
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