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Oh my goodness, all this information is wonderful. I will get it to Barrie asap. I cannot thank you all enough for the huge effort you have made to assist with this puzzle. Diana

Did he think a family member from that area would see the newspaper?...
(if below Baptism applies)

County Somerset
Place Midsomer Norton
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 47
DateOfBirth 26 Dec 1885
BaptismDate 14 Mar 1886
Forename Jessie
Sex -
FatherForename Matthew John
MotherForename Jane
FatherSurname MAGGS
MotherSurname
Abode Norton
FatherOccupation Shoemaker

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(from above link)


Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
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MAGGS Jessy Clutton 5c 581


Deaths Dec 1907 (>99%)
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TANENBERG Jessie 21 Chorlton 8c 464


(if right family, Matthew a widower 1911)

Burial
County Somerset
Place Midsomer Norton
Church St John the Baptist
RegisterNumber 132
BurialDate 25 Aug 1902
Forename Jane
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname MAGGS
Age 37
Abode M Norton

Chris :)

(was just a thought, will delete if wrong Jessie!)


03 May 1890 - Leeds Times - Leeds, West Yorkshire, England

Death
Tanenberg.— April 24th, aged 36, Alice Tanenberg, 7, Drewton-street, Bradford.

So as early as 1904 he was last name Barry,even though he married 1907 as Tanenberg!!

Poor baby,were they going to leave her while they went to USA.

Maryb.

Great find,Chris!!! :-)

Maureen

14 May 1904 - Western Daily Press - Bristol, Bristol, England

WANTED. HOME (temporarily) for Baby, eight months. Lowest terms. Barry. 26. Gladstone Avenue. East, Ham, London, E

Chris :)

edits (Richard Tyley, wife Sophia at above 1901) (1911 Sophia Tyley (widow) shared with Ernest Plumb, wife Amy)

Barrie,

Yes the births could go in the fathers surname,,,

1,If he was present at the time of registration and signed a declaration to the fact,,,,,but then proof wasnt needed for marriage so Jessie could just go along as a married woman.......but if they both were present and it was known they wasnt married it usually was stated,--nee instead of formally,,,,,,,,formally applies to the parents being married.

Just received Birth Certificate for Edna Alice May Tanenberg - its spelt Tenenberg all the way through it so am not sure if this really is correct - My mum was born on 11th October 1903 and so is this one. Anyway the rest of the information is Mother - Jessie Tenenberg formerly MAGGS. living at 26 Gladstone Avenue, East Ham, Essex. Father - wait for it - Edward Tenenberg, Waterproof maker(journeyman). Well, now I am baffled completely. Many thanks again for all your hard work on my behalf - I really do appreciate it as I have been confused since my aunts disclosure in 2002 about the name change. I do not have access to a computer which is why my friend, Diana is helping me. It certainly is a real puzzle.

Would it have been correct for Jessie Maggs to use the surname Tanenberg for her 2 daughters birth certificates when she and Baron did not marry until 1907?

My Aunt was a Tiller Girl (and my mother to before her marriage to John Clintonin 1924) and I rather think the address in Warwick Road, Blackpool was used as lodgings for theatrical people - although I could be wrong. Thanks again Barrie

In 1911 Ethel states British born in Marylebone not Canada,so maybe Ethel and Baron were never married as implied earlier.

Maryb

Thank you to you all for your wonderful information. I think I can clarify things a little - The family seem to remember Edward being married twice - once to a Canadian, whom I am assuming may be Ethel and his second marriage was to a Barbara whom Auntie Freda said was from Brooklyn, and she lived with Edward in Birmingham - I wonder if this is the wife he was living with at the Globe Hotel? Family gossip has it that she was on the "game" and quickly returned to the USA.

From all this information I cant help wondering if the only connection between Baron and Edward is the Flim Industry? Is it conceivable that Ethel took Edna and Freda into her home after the death of their mother Jessie? I will see if they changed their names by deedpoll, as suggested. Also, another family member mentioned that Baron may have been an officer in the US army at some point.

I cant thank you all enough for your time and effort - it seems that both Baron and Edward were interesting men - perhaps thats the theatrical side of them coming out. Many many thanks Barrie Sylvester, son of Edna

FMP has 3 articles on Samuel Tanenberg,

GR has 4 pages of the Tanenberg family.

Marcus was chairman of the Jewish Board of Guardians,

Nottingham paper has a report on Nathaniels death,1909.

All interesting articles to the family group.

Hallworth Granville, pol con, 26 Warwick rd

(Police Constable perhaps?)

http://www.amounderness.co.uk/blackpool_residents_1934_h.html

Chris :)

I think that's where his married sister Rosetta HALLWORTH and husband lived.

British Phone Books, 1880-1984 about G Hallworth
Name: G Hallworth
Address: 26 Warwick rd
Exchange: ©Blackpool
City/Town: Blackpool

Publication Year: 1934

What about checking electoral rolls for 26,Warwick Street Blackpool to see who was looking after Edna and Freda.
There dad gave that address in 1915 and Edna was there in 1924.

Maryb

(thankyou folks, info. the Buttery's)

Mystery goes on!...

Chris :)

Re West 35th Street:

In 1901 the blocks just west of Fifth Avenue around 34th Street were gradually changing. The Astor mansions on Fifth Avenue between 33rd and 34th Streets had been replaced by the hulking and exclusive Waldorf-Astoria Hotel and high-class commercial interests were increasingly converting other brownstone residences.

One-by-one the wide homes of West 35th Street were sold off and before 1910 the block would have no fewer than three high-end hotels.

http://daytoninmanhattan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/1901-beaux-arts-hotel-collingwood-no-43.html

Patchem has already posted 1911 re Woolf Davis.

Here he is in 1861 with sister Alice (Baron's mother).
No Gertrude, though, so maybe she's not a sister marrying at the same time as Alice.
Perhaps Casper is the uncle in New York? (45 35th Street is now the address of the Hotel Metro in Manhattan - so if that was his address in 1911, he was either a rich man with a huge house, or else a lodger.)


1861 England Census about Alice Davies
Name: Alice Davies
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Davies
Mother's name: Rose Davies
Gender: Female
Where born: Bath
Civil Parish: Bathwick
Ecclesiastical parish: Bathand Wells
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Bathwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Piece: 1684
Folio: 75
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Davies 40
Rose Davies 36
Casper Davies 10
Alice Davies 9
Woolfe Davies 8
David Davies 6
Elsie Davies 4
Simon Davies 3
Ellen Sidway 21
Mary Sidway 40




New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Mr. Caspar Davies
Name: Mr. Caspar Davies
Arrival Date: 21 Mar 1878
Birth Date: abt 1853
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: American
Place of Origin: United States of America
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Nevada

(Travelling with brother David in 1878)


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Mr. Casper Davis
Name: Mr. Casper Davis
Arrival Date: 3 Jun 1906
Birth Date: abt 1851
Age: 55
Port of Departure: Dover, United Kingdom
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Amerika
Search Ship Database: Search the Amerika in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database




New York, New York, Death Index, 1862-1948 about Caspar Davis
Name: Caspar Davis
Birth Year: abt 1851
Age: 63
Death Date: 9 Oct 1914
Death Place: Manhattan, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 29257

Re the Buttery/Barry 1911 census record -

it's signed by E Buttery, pro E Barry.

Edward Buttery would be the only male member of the household, so maybe that's why he signed it on Edward Barry's behalf (or Ethel's)

Oh, yes, Chris - you're right about Marcus and Jessie marrying in 1907 - I got mixed up in my reading of Diana's OP.

Edward Buttery married as Albert Edward to Alice Edith Gaul.

Alice Edith Gaul parents George Gaul and Jane maybe nee Perkins married 14/11/1881
they also had Ethel Lavinia baptised 1888 Marylebone.

Ethel lavinia married 1908 Lambeth to Frank Albert Sheppard but I can't find them 1911.

Then there is a tree with Alfred B Coureau which states he was with Ethel Lavinia Gaul and had
Alfred B Coureau 13/2/1920 died 13/2/1976
There was also a Aline M Coureau born hammersmith 1915 nee Gaul!!
Louis Valentine Coureau 1921 mum Sheppard



Maryb.

Marriages Dec 1905

BUTTERY Albert Edward Marylebone 1a 1271
GAUL Alice Edith Marylebone 1a 1271