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?????? Esther in 1861


1861 Census

Name: Esther Welling
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Giles
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles South
ED, institution, or vessel: St Giles and Bloomsbury United Parish Workhouse

Household schedule number: 28
Piece: 169
Folio: 4
Page Number: 5

Esther Welling 30 Widow, Seamstress
Clara Welling 10 b.ca 1851, Plymouth, Devon, Daughter, Scholar
Thomas Welling 8 b.ca 1853, London, Son, Scholar

Address:- 12 Gt Wild Street

Think this is her in 1851 - if so she married Edward Thomas Willey:

Hester Willey
Age:21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:Thos Willey
Gender:Female
Where born:Exeter, Devon, England
Civil Parish:Plymouth Charles the Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish:Sutton on Plym
County/Island:Devon
Country:England
Street address:Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district:Plymouth
Sub-registration district:Charles
ED, institution, or vessel:1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number:214
Piece:1878
Folio:141
Page Number:52
Household Members:NameAge

Thos Willey 22 (Shoemaker, born Exeter)
Hester Willey 21 (Dressmaker)
Clara Willey 9 Mo (born Plymouth)

1851 Census

Name: Mary Carr
[Mary Care]
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Carr
Gender: Female
Where born: Beaminster, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Plymouth St Andrew
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 1t

Household schedule number: 118
Piece: 1879
Folio: 640
Page Number: 31

William Carr 52 b.ca 1799, Castle Cary, Somerset. Coach Man
Mary Carr 49
Harriet Carr 16 at house
George Carr 10 Scholar
Walter Carr 9 Scholar

Address:- 7 Princess Place

???????possible for some of that family in 1841


1841 Census

Name: Mary Beare
[Mary Ceare]
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: St Sidwell
Hundred: Exeter City
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: St Sidwell

Piece: 268
Book: 9
Folio: 10
Page Number: 15

Mary Beare 39 not born in county, note saying "husband ????boy"
Sarah Beare 14
Esther Beare 10
Mary Ann Beare 7
Harriott Cease 5

Address:- St Sidwell Terrace No 5




NOTE .............. these names are also shown on the transcribed record with the Ceare family, but they are actually separate households

Wm Dolling 30
Thos Wankings 25
Sophia Carpenter 34
John Carpenter 2
William Carpenter 5 Mo
Ann Cater 19

I'm not surprised to see this on a Public Tree on ancestry ..................

Esther and Hester are often used in concert


No idea about the accuracy of the tree ................. but it may provide you with some other thoughts. Plus, if true ......... it shows where the Handsford came from!


Care-Cottrell Family Tree
Owner: carecottrell


Esther/hester Hansford Care
Birth 1830 in Exeter, Devon, England
Death Mar 1918 in Greater, London, England

Parents


William Care
Birth 1798 in Castle Cary, Somerset, England


Mary Handsford
Birth 1801 in Beaminster, Dorset, England
Death


Siblings

Eliza Jane Care
1831 – 1920

Mary Ann Care
1834 –

Harriet Care
1836 –

george care
1841 – 1930

George William Care
1842 – 1928

Walter Henry Care
1843 – 1928

There's this, but no Mr Welling so not sure:

Hester Hansford Care
Registration Year:1849
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:Plymouth
Parishes for this Registration District:
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Inferred County:Devon
Volume:9
Page:522
Records on Page:Name

Ann Beer
Hester Hansford Care
John Burlace Davis
James Ley
Deborah Parkhouse
John Scoble
Edward Thomas Willey
Mary Yeoman

That one looks good Flip,I have been looking for ages but no luck :-(

Good one, Flip!

Esther Handsford Caer
Gender:Female
Baptism Date:4 Jul 1830
Baptism Place:St. Sidwell, Exeter, Devon, England
Father: William
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number:916841
Reference ID:v 6 p 119

I agree with Sue

Unfortunately, N Bucheridge is also a witness on the following entry ........... thus indicating that he is also a "professional witness", like Robert Stone


so will be no use in identifying Esther's family





Could you please tell us where you have looked?


That might help us to avoid duplicating your research

Poppina

I read the fathers name as William Cair and the witts as as

Robert Stone.
N Bucheridge.

Please be aware the above birth detail is deduced by info found on cencuses after 1881.
Esther married Edward Benjamin Nobbin (b. c1838 in Paris) on 4 April 1864 in St Pancras Parish Church, London where her status is given as 'Widow' and fathers name is given as William Cain (or Cair), a coachman.
The handwritten marriage entry can be viewed in the record 'London, England Marriages and Banns 1754-1921' by searching for her full name.
The witness Robert Stone was Verger of St Pancras Church - any help deciphering the name of the other witness would be appreciated, as would opinions as to father's surname.
In the 1881 cencus Esther is again widowed, working as a machinist and spelling her name with only one 'b'.
Esther had 5 surviving children with Edward, all born in Pancras, London, before his death in 1874 the last born in the year of his death.
The 1911 cencus, before her death in 1918 shows her at 81 (questionable) and living with daughter Maude, son in law William Barton and granddaughter Clara. All her cencus entries are consistent in her birth being Exeter, Devon.

Please, can anyone throw any light on her origins of birth and first marriage? I have searched for her birth - perhaps illegitimate to a mother named Hansford, and a Hansford/Welling previous marriage, also for Cain/Hansford and Cain/Welling marriages. Did William acknowledge paternity but didn't marry her mother? Was she informally adopted by him if her mother died or abandonned her?

I can find absolutely no trace. Does anyone have any idea that I have overlooked or any information at all? Ever hopeful. Thanks for reading and be assured I will be most grateful for any help.