Fanny Summers

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Member Since: December 2003 Posts: 19,544 Send Message	Cynthia	Report	8 Oct 2014 13:37
	Hello Joyce and welcome to the Community boards. (I'll let Joyce know how to find her replies) :-)
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Member Since: November 2004 Posts: 10 Send Message	Joyce	Report	10 Oct 2014 12:23
Member Since: November 2004 Posts: 10 Send Message	Hello everyone Thank you all so very much, have nearly all the info I need. There is another mystery person who lived with my husband's father George and his brother Herbert, sons of Walter and Fanny. I am trying to find out who she was, she was Cis Summers, could she have been from Walter's first marriage. Will keep trying. Regards all. Joyce
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 7,051 Send Message	PollyPoppet	Report	10 Oct 2014 12:55
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 7,051 Send Message	Hi Joyce do you have rough dates for her and I will have a look for you PP :-)
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	10 Oct 2014 14:26
	Going back to the 1891 census posted ealier........ Walters wife..... Elizabeth E Summers born 1865 Romford, Essex Son Walter William Summers baptism London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Walter William Summers Name:Walter William Summers Record Type:Baptism Baptism Date:5 Apr 1891 Father's Name:Walter Summers Mother's name:Elizabeth Emma Summers <<<<<< On the 1891 census is Boarder......Frederick W Johnson 1877 Romford Essex I think this is Elizabeth Emma on the 1881 census and Frederick W Johnson is her brother......... 1871 England Census about Elizabeth E Johnson Name:Elizabeth E Johnson Age:6 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1865 Relation:Daughter Father's Name:William Johnson Mother's name:Caroline Johnson Gender:Female Where born:Romford, Essex, England Civil Parish:Romford Ecclesiastical parish:St Edward Town:Romford County/Island:Essex Country:England Registration district:Romford Sub-registration district:ROMFORD Household Members: William Johnson 34 Caroline Johnson 26 Thomas E Johnson 9 Elizabeth E Johnson 6 Eliza L Johnson 3 William J Johnson 1 The same family in 1881 with a brother Frederick... (Elizabeth is in another household working as a Servant) 1881 England Census about Frederick Johnson Name:Frederick Johnson Age:4 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1877 Relationship to Head:Son Father:William Johnson Mother:Caroline Johnson Gender:Male Where born:Romford, Essex, England Civil Parish:Romford County/Island:Essex Country:England Street address:Collier Row Sun Cottages No 2 William Johnson 45 Caroline Johnson 37 Thomas Johnson 18 Eliza Johnson 13 William Johnson 11 Frederick Johnson 4 <<<<<<< Caroline Johnson 2 (Frederick is not with his parents on the 1891 census) England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Elizabeth Emma Johnson Name:Elizabeth Emma Johnson Registration Year:1865 Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district:Romford Inferred County:Essex Volume:4a Page:108 Births Dec 1876 (>99%) Johnson Frederick Walter Romford 4a 179 ?? Deaths Sep 1896 (>99%) Summers Elizabeth Emma 31 St. Geo. H. Sq 1a 311 There does not appear to be a marriage for Elizabeth Emma Johnson to Walter. Having said that, there does not appear to be an appropriate marriage for Walter to an Elizabeth E......... anyone! You might need to purchase the marriage cert to see what marital status it gives for Walter when he married Fanny.
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 17,958 Send Message	Chris Ho :)	Report	10 Oct 2014 15:01
	(possibly below) Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Johnson Emma Elizabeth St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 791 SUMMERS Walter St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 791 1891 (Find My Past) Walter Summers Head Married Male 25 1866 Police Constable Brackley, Northamptonshire, England Elizabeth E Summers Wife Married Female 26 1865 - Romford, Essex, England Emily E Summers Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Pimlico, Middlesex, England Walter W Summers Son - Male 0 1891 - Chelsea, Middlesex, England Frederick W Johnson Boarder - Male 14 1877 Errand Boy Romford, Essex, England Street Smith Terrace Parish Chelsea County London Registration district Chelsea Archive reference RG12 Piece number 63 Folio 96 Page 55 Chris :) Westminster Marriages Transcription (Find My Past) First name(s) WALTER Last name SUMMERS (Police Constable) Marriage year 1889 Marriage day 05 Marriage month May Parish St Michael, Chester Square Spouse's first name(s) EMMA ELIZABETH Spouse's last name JOHNSON Groom's age 23 Bride's age 24 County Middlesex Record set Westminster Marriages (Father, John Summers, Miller, her Father, William Johnson, Labourer. Wits. William Johnson, Sissie Sprules)
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	10 Oct 2014 15:15
	I think this might be the marriage and Elizabeth's name appears as Emma Elizabeth England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Emma Elizabeth Johnson Name:Emma Elizabeth Johnson Registration Year:1889 Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun Registration district:St George Hanover Square Inferred County:London Volume:1a Page:791 Emma Elizabeth Johnson Walter Summers It also fits with Elizabeth's death registration.
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	10 Oct 2014 15:18
	Ooops, I missed your post Chris. Well that's that sorted then!! :-)
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	10 Oct 2014 15:32
	1891 England Census about William Johnson Name:William Johnson Age:56 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1835 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Caroline Johnson Gender:Male Where born:Leicestershire, England Civil Parish:Romford Ecclesiastical parish:Romford St Edward Town:Romford County/Island:Essex Country:England Household Members: William Johnson 56 (Agricultural Labourer) Caroline Johnson 47 Caroline Emily Johnson 12 Alice Elnor Johnson 10 Lillie M Johnson 7 Rosina M Johnson 5 Edgar J Johnson 1
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	10 Oct 2014 15:44
	1901 England Census about Caroline Johnson Name:Caroline Johnson Age:59 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1842 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Female Birth Place: Romford, Essex, England Civil Parish:Romford Ecclesiastical parish:St Edward Town:Collier Row County/Island:Essex Country:England Household Members Caroline Johnson 59 (Widow) Lilliy Johnson 17 Dorothey Johnson 15 Annie Johnson 24 Adeline Johnson 3 (Grandaughter) Edgar Johnson 1 (Grandson) 1911 England Census about Caroline Johnson Name:Caroline Johnson Age in 1911: 67 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1844 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Female Birth Place:Collier Row, Essex Civil Parish:Romford County/Island:Essex Country:England Street address:5 Brookside Cottage, Collier Row Nr Romford Marital Status:Widowed Registration district:Romford Registration District Number:191 Sub-registration district:Romford Household Members: Caroline Johnson 67 Lily Maud Johnson 27 Adeline Constance Johnson 13 (12 children born.......6 living, 6 had died) England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Caroline Johnson Name:Caroline Johnson Birth Date:abt 1845 Date of Registration:Dec 1921 Age at Death:76 Registration district:Romford Inferred County:Essex Volume:4a Page:481
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