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Can see 1863 Elizabeth Find My Past have Memorial Inscription Belchamp Otten Essex.

Deaths Dec 1863 (>99%)
VIALL ELIZABETH Risbridge 4a 272


Are they your Census posted by Potty earlier?...

Chris :)

(1861 FMP has Hyde Road Great Waltham Thomas Dial 1822, not seeing Father)

I did find Thomas in 1861 living in Hyde rd great Waltham Essex,
yeah that's my Thomas's death record 1866,
Elizabeth died in 1860 in great Waltham Essex.

Trudy :-)

If you have found Baptisms of yours, as evidence, then you could tell him!, otherwise 'put Frederick on hold'.

Is that the Death of your Thomas posted earlier, when did Elizabeth die, have you got them on Census?...

Chris :)

Hello again Chris

Well this is the thing when I asked him about it he didn't reply to my message. Then gave me access to his tree and said that I had got the parents wrong for my Thomas vial b1821.

And when I looked at his tree he has my Thomas 1821 under Elizabeth Smee and unknown?? So I am confused.

It doesn't take much to confuse me but ???

Thank you
Trudy :-)

(adding New Request for today)

Trudy Report 13 Nov 2014 07:47

Hello I. Was hoping someone might be able to help me,
I have been tracing my tree for a while now and contacted another person with a possible match only to be really confused by his reply.
It was as follows

My match was
Thomas vial b 1795 Essex married to Elizabeth smee their children were all born in Essex and were
Elizabeth vial b1819,,
Sarah vial b1820,,
Thomas vial b1821,,
Joseph vial b1826,,
Alfred vial b1828,,

But when I got a reply from my match he had a completely different child called Frederick o Viall born to the same parents and said my ones were wrong?? Have I got it wrong?? I was wondering if anybody could help me at all try and clear this up as its really bothering me.

Thank you in advance
Trudy

Chris :)


Looking round there seems to be another born earlier Bocking Essex (Baptism 1784 Birthdate 1782) Find My Past.

So could get confusing, also that surname could have quite a few variants. What evidence does he have?...

Chris :)


(not all Parish Records are online!, Essex is a subscription site on below)

http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/EssexAncestors.aspx


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Name: Thomas Viall
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1866
Registration District: Chelmsford
County: Essex
Event Place: Chelmsford, Essex, England
Age (available after 1866): 71
Birth Year (Estimated): 1795
Volume: 4A
Page: 145

Thomas Vial
England, Essex Parish Registers
Name: Thomas Vial
Event Type: Intended Marriage
Event Date: 10 May 1818
Event Place: Chelmsford, Essex, England
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Eliza Smee
Reference ID: p 39 , GS Film Number: 1472065 , Digital Folder Number: 004298476 , Image Number: 00960

Last name: Viall


Recorded in many spelling modern forms including Vial, Viall, Vitall, Vittle, Viel, Vyel, and no doubt others, this is an English surname. It is or was originally a personal name of endearment from the pre 7th century and possibly as far back as Roman times. It derives from from the Latin word "vitalis", a derivative of "vita", meaning life or perhaps pertaining to life. It was introduced into Britain after the Norman Conquest of 1066 in the Old French forms of Vitel and Viel, and it became popular with Christians during the religious revival period of the 12th century as a symbol of their belief in eternal life, particulary as Vitalis was a name borne by a dozen of the early saints. The name development has included such recordings as Richard Viel of Devonshire in 1194, John Vitell of Sussex in 1207, Henry Vyel of Worcestershire in 1275, and Thomas Vyall of Suffolk in 1574. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Radulfus Vitalis. This was dated 1086, in the Domesday Book for Devonshire, during the reign of King William Ist of England, 1066 - 1086. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Viall#ixzz3Is5DJ8N8

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/records_office/thread/1036177

(below taken from above 2008, for New Request today, looking for Birthplace)

Chris :)


Potty Report 30 Apr 2008 12:11

Do you have this death record - we should be able to find him in 1861 51 & 41:

Name: Thomas Viall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 71
District: Chelmsford
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 145


Trudy Report 30 Apr 2008 12:11

i think he was born in great waltham ??

trudy


Potty Report 30 Apr 2008 12:21

Nearest I can find in 1861:

1861 England Census
about Thomas Vialls
Name: Thomas Vialls
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: High Ongar, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Chelmsford
Ecclesiastical parish: Moulsham St John
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Farm Labourer

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Chelmsford
Sub registration district: Chelmsford
ED, institution, or vessel: Chelmsford Union Workhouse


Potty Report 30 Apr 2008 12:27

The workhouse Thomas in 1851?:

1851 England Census
about Thomas Vail
Name: Thomas Vail
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Birchanger, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Birchanger
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Vail 66
Thomas Vail 65


Potty Report 30 Apr 2008 12:34

1841 mistranscribed - not sure if this Thomas and the ones above are yours - wife's name isn't Elizabeth - but Mary could be second wife:

1841 England Census
about Thomas Vorel
Name: Thomas Vorel
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil Parish: Birchanger
Hundred: Uttlesford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Bishops Stortford
Sub registration district: Stanstead
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Vorel 55
Thomas Vorel 55


Moggie Report 30 Apr 2008 12:37

The Thomas Viall who died in 1866 was buried on 31st August at Moulsham St John the Evangelist.
Moggie


Trudy Report 30 Apr 2008 14:37

thank you all so much for your help.

thank you

trudy

Oh ok lol

Trudy

"Nonconformist (or Non-conformist) was a term used in England and Wales after the Act of Uniformity 1662 to refer to a Protestant Christian who did not "conform" to the governance and usages of the established Church of England."

There was alot of it about in Essex....My Essex lot were Baptists and then joined the 'Peculiar People' both being Non Conformist.

Chris

Thank you so much Chris

I really appreciate all your help

Trudy

Jus in case they are C of E Banns I checked the registers for a marriage up to a year after the date of the intended marriage and there isn't one, of course it might be Banns being read in his church and the actual marriage took place in her church.

I think a copy of the notice should help to work out whether it is non con notice or ordinary Banns...Well I have my fingers crossed that it does!

Chris

What does non conformist mean ? Sorry being a bit silly now

Trudy

I think your right Chris, it's not easy this research thing is it :-)

Trudy

Sussed it..I think!

FS has the notice of 'Intended Marriage' not the marriage itself and that is making it look even more likely to be a non con marriage.

Still worth getting a copy to see what it says I think.

Chris

Oh ok so is that why I'm coming up blank then? :-)

I will have to try and get a copy of the certificate

Thank you Chris your a star for helping me

There is something funny about that marriage.....

Family Search has it as being transcribed from "Church of England. Parish Church of Chelmsford" but I cannot find the entry on Seax for that date in the Cof E registers.

Have you got a copy of it Trudy? If not I would order one from FS to confirm where it took place as it might be non con, also the witnesses may give you a lead for family connections.

Chris

Yes Thomas married Elizabeth Smee

Trudy

Thank you so much Chris for your help I really appreciate it

Trudy :-)