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The 1870 marriage, Stephen married Mary Whelan as the other couple are on a ancestry tree.

There is a Mary Whelan born 1847 in Ireland,
1871 All Saints Byker D3 > 29
with parents Patrick and Catherine both born Ireland.
with them is also a grandson John age 8months and on looking at the original could be Brennan??

Could Stephen have already been married and that's why no record found.
1911 states married 26 year = 1885

Maryb

I wonder if this is them in 1881? Parents say born Walker, same as 1901 census. Daughter Catherine born Jarrow, Durham. Mind you if this is right Catherine would only be 15 when she gave birth.


1881 England Census about Catherine Brenner
Name: Catherine Brenner
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Stephen Brenner
Gender: Female
Where born: Walker, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Byker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 78 Thornborough St
Marital Status: Married

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5068
Folio: 141
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Brenner 38
Catherine Brenner 23
Catherine Brenner 8

Not at all, Margee........it wouldn't have been impossible, but I think they probably married in Ireland

http://www.rcdhn.org.uk/churches07/churchcontact.php?chid=208#

St Dominic's is a Roman Catholic church, where Latin would have been used for Mass, and for Church records.

Oops! You're right, Jacqueline, re: that 1870 marriage. I'm just not thinking straight these days!

Mary aged 70 (mentioned by Margee) appears on the transcription of 1891 on FMP..............a candidate for Stephen's mother?

I wondered about that one, but took into account her birth year.........admittedly, she could have married at the age of 12, but I don't think many girls actually did

Also, I'd have thought there would be other, older, children.........

1911 census says married 26 years........4 children..............all living

Parents' marriage? Her name was Catharinae Cullen Brennan on Stephen's christening.

Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%)
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BRENNEN Stephen Newcastle T 10b 231
CURRAN Catherine Newcastle T 10b 231

I don't think that the birthplace info in later censuses is accurate with regard to the parents

Looks like same family in 1891 but father not there and Catherine says born Ireland.


1891 England Census about Catherine Brannen
Name: Catherine Brannen
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Byker
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels
Town: Newcastle
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4216
Folio: 64
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Brannen 33
Mary Ellen Brannen 6
Julia Brannen 3
Annie Brannen 10

Original also has Mary Brennan, 70, widow, born Ireland.

So it is, Margee....

Although Patricia does say in her post that the record is 'exactly right' which implies other knowledge

A long shot for the father

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Scotch Row, Walker, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

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Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David Hickey Head Married Male 26 1835 Labourer In Iron Works Ireland Transcription
Mary Hickey Wife Married Female 24 1837 - Ireland Transcription
Steaven Browman Lodger Unmarried Male 16 1845 Labourer In Iron Works Ireland Transcription
Ellen Browman Lodger Unmarried Female 22 1839 - Ireland Transcription


IMAGE is BRENNAN

Corrections submitted

The DOB is on that christening record that I posted.

One would imagine Patricia knows the DOB because she knew her grandfather, or at least has been told the date by one of her parents

His death?

BRENNAN STEPHEN 1892 1963 1963 Deaths & burials Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

1901 England Census about Stephen Bruman
Name: Stephen Bruman
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Stephen Bruman
Mother: Catherine Bruman
Birth Place: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Jarrow
Ecclesiastical parish: Jarrow Grange Christchurch
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: Jarrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4742
Folio: 11
Page Number: 13
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Bruman 50
Catherine Bruman 43
Annie Bruman 20
Mary E Bruman 17
Julia Bruman 13
Stephen Bruman 8

This one says parents born Walker, Northumberland, first daughter Annie born Byker, Northumberland, others born Newcastle.

Good one, Astra!

Why didn't we think of a different spelling, Kath?

That looks like the one Astra.

Kath. x

Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
Brennen Stephen Newcastle T. 10b 170

Just to let you know, I have just deleted my posts with the wrong Stephanus.

I also can't find his birth on FreeBMD.

But they were all born Newcastle according to the 1911 census.