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The child Samuel on 1881 census was born no later than March 1879

The Ancestry tree is nonsense, as that Samuel was born in Oxfordshire, and probably died in 1941

Gladys, I think it may help if you could tell us a wee bit more about how you worked back to Samuel please?

Did he marry please? If so did he give a name and occupation for his father?

If the 1881 census is the correct Samuel, then the Samuel with a birth date of 16 October 1880 may not be yours as Samuel in 1881 has a brother Thomas aged 8 months.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/royal-naval-seamen.htm

(above has below, if relating)

ADM 188/474/293601
Description: Name Miller, Samuel
Official Number: 293601
Place of Birth: Manchester, Lancashire
Date of Birth: 16 October 1880


Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
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Miller Samuel Blackburn 8e 387

Chris :)


Births Jun 1880 (>99%)
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MILLER Samuel George F Chipping N. 3a 814

(also a Marines for above)


1901 (Find My Past) (Reference)

First name(s) Saml
Last name Miller
Relationship Crew
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 20
Birth year 1881
Occupation Stoker
Birth town Manchester
Birth town as transcribed MANCHESTER
Birth county Lancashire
Country Ships and Overseas Establishments
County Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad
Vessel name "resolution"
Registration district Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 5332
Folio 71
Page 25

Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)

MILLER Samuel Portsmouth 2b 949
PARR Miriam Portsmouth 2b 949

That tree on ancestry has Samuel F G Miller marrying Miriam Parr, and 6 children being born of the marriage



Is this YOUR Samuel????

Gladys ................


just a point of information .......

......... you may have had the 1881 census, but we, the member helpers, did not.


That is why Rootgatherer posted the entire census ............... for OUR information and help.

Sometimes we find people by tracing other family members.

Where did Louisa die please? I am not seeing an obvious death in Manchester.

There are no births on freebmd or LancsBMD to match the 1881 census info for the boys

No sign either of a marriage for Louisa, unless you have info to the contrary, Gladys

And I can't see a death for her to match what you say.

Can you give us the freebmd transcription, please

only one forename on the death recod


First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name MILLER
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1879
Age 67
Death quarter 2
Death year 1946
District PORTSMOUTH
County Hampshire
Volume 2B
Page 635
Country England

If the person whose tree is on Ancestry thinks Portsmouth is in Sussex, the rest of the info must be highly suspect!

This is on a tree on ancestry. It may or may not be relevant or help to find him.



Samuel F G Miller
Birth 1880 in Manchester, Lancashire, England
Death 1946 in Portsmouth, Sussex

Have you found his brother or sister in 1891 please?

If, as seems likely, he was in some sort of institution then he may have been recorded on the census using only his initials.

Rootgather thanks for your info but I already knew, what I would to know where he was in 1891census???

1881 for ref.

Samuel Miller
AGE: 2
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1879
RELATIONSHIP TO HEAD: Son
MOTHER: Louisa Miller
GENDER: Male
WHERE BORN: Mchr, Lancashire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Manchester
COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: 84 Primrose St
EDUCATION:

EMPLOYMENT STATUS:

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REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Manchester
SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Ancoats
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 10
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 3979
FOLIO: 44
PAGE NUMBER: 11
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Louisa Miller 30
Samuel Miller 2
Elizabeth Miller 4
Thomas Miller 8 months

Louisa says she is widowed. If she died when Samuel was a child the children may have been put into the Workhouse too. Samuel may have been sent to an industrial or orphan school from where young boys were often trained for the Navy.