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No, Jacqueline, the original on Ancestry is the original handwritten copy that is water damaged.

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1846 to 1850
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SOLOMON Joseph Ashton Town Tameside SIMS AST/26/26

Kath

Have you still not seen the death info I posted?

And it's become fairly obvious that there was no legal union between Solomon and Jane

Yes you are correct but it is incorrect.
The only way I can think that it can be right is if Mary Heyes was James Birch's [Janes first husband ] mother and she had remarried. In which case, Jane had not yet married Joseph Solomon.
Very confusing

Agreed, but isn't the 'original' a typed transcription?

It certainly is on FMP

I did check the original of the 1851 census and it does say daughter-in-law.

Did you notice the death info?

The 1851 census is a typed transcription taken from (presumably) a water-damaged original, so the info may not be 100% as per the original

Yes on the 1851 census she is listed with a Mary Heyes I can only think that Jane and her son are lodging with her as there are no Heyes in the family.

Joseph Solomon Jane's husband,is in a boarding house in Manchester on 1851 census night.

Thank you for all your help it is really appreciated

Maybe they didn't get legally married . You could enquire of the synagogue whether it was possible to be married according to Jewish rites but not for it to be a legal marriage

I know when I married in 1957 in the Catholic Church we had to put our banns in too at the local register office and a registrar attended the church at the time and married us legally in the vestry and we signed the register she had bought with her giving us our copy of it

But is this her in 1851? She's listed as daughter-in-law of Mary Hayes:

Jane Soloman

in the 1851 England Census
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Name: Jane Soloman
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Daughter In Law
Spouse's Name: John Heyes
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Ashton under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: Ashton Under Lyne
Town: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1q
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 159
Piece: 2233
Page Number: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Heyes 47
Jemima Heyes 16
Isabella Heyes 14
John Heyes 11
Jane Soloman 21
Joseph Soloman 3/12

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
BIRCH James 69 Little Bolton Bolton LB/10/456

Rather old, I would have thought, to have been marrying a minor 3 years earlier

What was his age when he married?

It looks more than likely that no second marriage took place

Sorry to confuse you,I have the marriage certificate between JANE SIMS and JAMES BIRCH, they married in 1845 in Bolton that was her first marriage.
What I cannot find is her second marriage .
JANE SIMS married JOSEPH SOLOMON before 1851 well I think she did as on the 1851 census she is living in Ashton-u-Lyne with a two month old son named JOSEPH SOLOMON .

I think her first husband JAMES BIRCH died in 1848 but I have not yet bought the certificate.

I am so sorry to confuse everyone

You say you have the marriage cert of Jane Sims and Joseph Solomon but then you can't find the marriage

Don't understand what you looking for then ???

Quote from above
Thank you for your help

Sarah Solomon whose marriage you have found was Joseph and Jane's daughter.

The marriage between Jane Sims and Joseph Solomon I already have the certificate

As to James Birch,s death I believe he died in 1848 in Bolton but I have not sent for the certificate
Thanks again

But you said earler that you already have the certificate,

Quote:

"The marriage between Jane Sims and Joseph Solomon I already have the certificate"

Thank you for the above info. I already have found this so sorry for wasting you time it is just JANE SIMS AND JOSEPH SOLOMONS marriage that I cannot find
It is so frustrating !!!
Thank you for everyone's help much appreciated

There are local indexes available at http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

Using http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1846 to 1850
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SOLOMON Joseph Ashton Town Tameside SIMS AST/26/26

Births Mar 1851 (>99%)
Solomon Joseph Ashton 20 4

The 3 local index collections I'm using here all index using the actual year of birth.
Here Joseph must have been born in Dec 1850, but not rego'ed until after the new year (as the GRO indexes by quarter of registration).

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1853 SOLOMON Eli Wigan Wigan & Leigh SIMS WIG/37/181
1854 SOLOMON Hannah Maria Wigan Wigan & Leigh SIMS WIG/42/109
1856 SOLOMON George Frederick Wigan Wigan & Leigh SIMS WIG/47/213

Using http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/
Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1865 SOLOMON Leah Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SIM HAN/030/092
1866 SOLOMON Rachel Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SIMM HAN/032/066
1868 SOLOMON Hannah Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SIMM HAN/034/096
1869 SOLOMON Marian Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SIMMS HAN/037/008
1872 SOLOMON Esther Hanley Stoke-On-Trent SIMM HAN/042/014

Deaths Mar 1868 (>99%)
Solomon Rachel 1 Stoke T. 6b 102


1861
[rg9/2971/8/10]
Joseph Solomon Jane 1823 city relation city, Lancashire
Jane Solomon Joseph 1829 city, Essex, England relation city, Lancashire
[rg9/2971/9/11]
Isaac Solomon Joseph,Jane 1851 city, Lancashire, England relation city, Lancashire
Ely Solomon Joseph,Jane 1853 city, Lancashire, England relation city, Lancashire
Sarah Solomon Joseph,Jane 1854 city, Lancashire, England relation city, Lancashire
Abraham Solomon Joseph,Jane 1856 city, Lancashire, England relation city, Lancashire
George F Sims 1823 city, Essex, England relation city, Lancashire
[I can't see census - I don't know if George is boarding with Jos, or in some other h/h]


The 1861 piece #s for Manchester RD are:
MANCHESTER RD RG9
Ancoats 2927-2937
Deansgate 2938-2943
London Road 2944-2948
Market Street 2949-2954
St George 2955-2964
Newton 2965-2968
Cheetham 2969-2972
Failsworth 2973-2974
Blackley 2975
Prestwich 2976

So this census was taken in the Cheetham subdistrict.

Thank you for your help

Sarah Solomon whose marriage you have found was Joseph and Jane's daughter.

The marriage between Jane Sims and James Birch I already have the certificate

As to James Birch,s death I believe he died in 1848 in Bolton but I have not sent for the certificate
Thanks again

This one ??

NAME: Jane Sims
AGE: Minor
MARRIAGE DATE: 4 Jun 1845
PARISH: Bolton le Moors, St Peter
PARISH AS IT APPEARS: Bolton-le-Moors
FATHER'S NAME: Thomas Sims
SPOUSE'S NAME: James Birchh
SPOUSE'S FATHER'S NAME: John Birch
REFERENCE NUMBER: GB127.L243/1/4/31


James - railway guard. Father John a weaver
Thomas Sims - excise officer

Not what you're after, but possibly related? The additon of an S at the end of Solomon may rule it out

Jewish Chronicle, 11 April 1873, page 17

Marriage on 2nd April at Hanley by Rev Prof Isaacs of Manchester of Sarah, daughter of Mr J. Solomons of Hanley to Mr A. Biurski of Burslem. [Sarah Solomons June 1873 Manchester 8d 813 and Abraham Biurski]

From the same edition, but a different page
Jewish Chronicle, 11 April 1873, page 16

First Jewish wedding at Hanley was held in the temporary synagogue in Foundry Street. In the afternoon provisions were given to 100 poor persons in Hanley by the bridegroom ‘’who preferred this charitable mode of celebrating his wedding to making the customary honeymoon trip’

http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/community/stoke/Press_Reports_Hanley_Stoke.htm