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Thelma
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14 Feb 2015 23:00 |
I have come across this Emily before and I am almost certain she is not my one. I remember the unusual name of the groom. Mine was Baptised only Emily (but she could have taken on an extra middle name I suppose) - I have been to Aylesbury and have the church records for St. Nicholas, Great Kimble. Rather a difference in age but anything is possible in "love" or maybe if you are very poor? Wonder if others think this is her. I haven't written why it is not her in my notes which is not good. I think I also looked for her in Battersea on 1901 and 1911 census but couldn't find her there - not that proves she was in the area or not
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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14 Feb 2015 22:45 |
Now I am not saying this is her but she was born 1865 and is a spinster aged 49. He is 26! Her father is John Coleman a farm steward???????????
Name: Emily Gertrude Coleman Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Age: 49 Spouse: Victor Max Wilhelm Berthold Hecht Spouse Age: 26 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 2 Jul 1914 Parish: All Saints, Battersea Borough: Wandsworth Father Name: John Coleman Spouse Father: Victor Paul Louis Hecht Register Type: Parish Register
This is his baptism which would make him the right age on the marriage.
Name: Victor Max Wilhelm Berthold Hecht Gender: Male Birth Date: 9 Aug 1887 Birth Place: Greifswald, Pommern, Preußen, Germany Father: Victor Hecht Mother: Adolphine Kagelmacher Hecht FHL Film Number: 1705920
EDIT NO NOT THIS ONE AS I HAVE HER ON THE 1891 AND HER FATHER JOHN WAS BORN IN NORFOLK AND SHE WAS BORN IN WOBURN BEDS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It was just a thought............that did'nt work out. :-(
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Thelma
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14 Feb 2015 22:32 |
Why I am focussing on this bit of the tree is that I would love to see a photo of my grandparents, Louisa (nee Coleman) and Joseph Holmes. I have never seen one ever and this would bring tears to my eyes to know what they looked like. I am hoping that in finding ancestors along a different branch of the family, they might have a photo but it is a long shot. I live in hope and thanks in advance for anyone who might find Emily or Mary Ann. I have made about 5 visits to the archives centre at Kew, where they have wonderful research facilities but to no avail. One day maybe, the mysteries will be solved..............
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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14 Feb 2015 21:34 |
I wondered if that was the case with the surname but ArgyllGran really cottoned on before I did.
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Thelma
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14 Feb 2015 19:56 |
I am so sorry, I have made a mistake in the surname. How really stupid of me.
The thing is that the first child of John and Emma Coleman was born before they were married. John was not the father and on the 1891 census John Jnr. reverted to his birth name of John Adams. He is the only Adams out of their children. To clarify, I am looking for Emily and Mary Ann Coleman. The sightings you have Mel Fairy Godmother and Argyll Gran are my family but I cannot find the two girls after 1891
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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14 Feb 2015 19:19 |
Name: John Coleman Age: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Emma Coleman Gender: Male Where born: Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Great Kimble County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: Marsh Road Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Wycombe Sub registration district: Wendover ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1469 Folio: 88 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age John Coleman 44 Emma Coleman 41 John Coleman 20 Mary Ann Coleman 13 Louisa Coleman 8
No Emily on this census
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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14 Feb 2015 19:14 |
So Louisa must be her gran then?
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14 Feb 2015 19:12 |
Name: John Coleman Age: 23 Estimated birth year: 1838 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Coleman Gender: Male Where born: Gt Milton, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: Great Kimble County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: Wendover ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 46 Piece: 861 Folio: 98 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age John Coleman 23 Emma Coleman 21 John Coleman 1
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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14 Feb 2015 19:09 |
Name: John Coleman Age in 1911: 73 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Great Hitton, Oxon****************************** Civil Parish: Great and Little Kimble County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: Great Kimble, Tring Marital Status: Married Occupation: Farm Labourer Registration district: Wycombe Registration District Number: 145 Sub-registration district: Princes Risborough ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 25 Piece: 7901 Household Members: Name Age John Coleman 73 Emma Coleman 72
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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14 Feb 2015 19:05 |
Marriage of John Coleman and Emma Adams
Marriage Information Date 2 Sep 1860 Location Oxfordshire, England to John Coleman
Bap. Name: Mary Ann Coleman Gender: Female Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1867 Baptism Place: Great Kimble,Buckingham,England Father: John Coleman Mother: Emma FHL Film Number: 919235
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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14 Feb 2015 19:00 |
If they are Colemans why on earth did Thelma put Adams as their surname?
No wonder we are going round in circles and not finding anything.
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2015 18:52 |
Mary Ann Coleman England and Wales Census, 1881 Name: Mary Ann Coleman Age (Original): 13 Gender: Female Birth Year: 1868 Birthplace: Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Marital Status: Single Occupation: Just Left School Address: Marsh Road Event Place: Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England Record Type: Household Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 1469 / 88 Page Number: 10 Household Role Gender Age Birthplace John Coleman Head M 44 Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England Emma Coleman Wife F 41 Gt Haisley, Oxfordshire, England John Coleman Son M 20 Gt Haisley, Oxfordshire, England Mary Ann Coleman Daughter F 13 Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England Louisa Coleman Daughter F 8 Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England GS Film number: 1341356
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2015 18:52 |
From FS:
Mary L Coleman England and Wales Census, 1871 Name: Mary L Coleman Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Gender: Female Age: 4 Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birthplace: Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Wycombe Sub-District: Wendover Parish: Great Kimble County: Buckinghamshire Household Role Gender Age Birthplace John Coleman Self M 35 Great Milton, Oxfordshire Emma Coleman Wife F 31 Great Hasley, Oxfordshire John Coleman Son M 11 Great Hasley, Oxfordshire Emily Coleman Daughter F 6 Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire <<<<< Mary L Coleman Daughter F 4 Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire <<<<<
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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14 Feb 2015 18:50 |
I am not having much luck are any of you??
I can't find either of them on any census with their mother.
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2015 18:37 |
Thelma, please can you post whatever census records you have found for the girls or their parents? - we're floundering in the dark!
These must be their births. There are no Wycombe district births for them as Adams.
Births Sep 1867 (>99%) Coleman Mary Ann Wycombe 3a 468
Births Jun 1865 (>99%) Coleman Emily Wycombe 3a 453
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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14 Feb 2015 18:34 |
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Name: Emma Aarnes [Emma Adams?] Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Kingham High, Wicklow, Ireland [High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England] Civil Parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Town: Norwood County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Norwood ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Household schedule number: 4 Piece: 694 Folio: 96 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Richard F Worth 67 Maria A Worth 58 Francis Worth 31 Edward F Worth 28 Mary D Worth 23 Sarah B Worth 19 Emma Aarnes 35********Emma Adams Single Amelia Garnham 25
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2015 18:25 |
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Emily Coleman in the 1881 England Census Name: Emily Coleman Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relationship to Head: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Hampstead County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 53 High Street Occupation: Nursemaid Registration district: Hampstead Sub registration district: Hampstead ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 167 Folio: 11 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Chas.B. King 44 Jane King 32 Jane M. King 11 Chas B. King 8 Thos.C. King 5 Willm.S. King 2 George H. King 1 Emily Coleman 15 Sarah Ann Price 19
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2015 18:19 |
In 1911, that John & Emma Coleman's record says they had 6 children born - 3 still living, 3 deceased.
But that doesn't agree with what Thelma says about Emily & Mary Ann's parents, so maybe not the right family?
John Coleman
in the 1911 England Census Name: John Coleman Age in 1911: 73 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Great Hitton, Oxon Civil Parish: Great and Little Kimble County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: Great Kimble, Tring Marital Status: Married Occupation: Farm Labourer Registration district: Wycombe Registration District Number: 145 Sub-registration district: Princes Risborough ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 25 Piece: 7901 Household Members: Name Age John Coleman 73 Emma Coleman 72 Source Citation Class: RG14; Piece: 7901; Schedule Number: 25
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2015 18:14 |
and 1881:
Mary Ann Coleman
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Coleman Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: John Coleman Mother: Emma Coleman Gender: Female Where born: Gt Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Great Kimble County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: Marsh Road Occupation: Just Left School Registration district: Wycombe Sub registration district: Wendover ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1469 Folio: 88 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age John Coleman 44 Emma Coleman 41 John Coleman 20 Mary Ann Coleman 13 Louisa Coleman 8
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2015 18:12 |
Is this possibly Mary Ann in 1891?? I'm as puzzled as Kathleen about why you say their father's name is Coleman.
Mary Coleman in the 1891 England Census
Name: Mary Coleman Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Great Kimble, Berkshire, England [Great Kimble, Buckinghamshire, England] Civil Parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub registration district: Brompton ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 34 Folio: 150 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Charles H Dendy 38 Blanche I Dendy 32 Eirene B Dendy 7 Murray H Dendy 5 Norman H Dendy 3 Margaret E Dendy 2 Louisa C Wilson 63 Emma Lawton 40 Hester E E Hannam 40 Alice Hellier 20 Mary Coleman 23 Caroline Tubbs 17
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