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1930
James Hunter Head M 34 South Carolina
Hilda F Hunter Wife F 34 England
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPHF-QHT
District: 0001 , Sheet Number and Letter: 20A , Household ID: 507 , Line Number: 50
Affiliate Film Number: 2185 , GS Film number: 2341919 , Digital Folder Number: 004547314 , Image Number: 00779

Magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
https://archive.org/stream/15thcensus2185unit#page/n774/mode/1up

(lol, AG, they don't believe in making things easy, that's for sure!)

Chris :)

Marriages Mar 1919 (>99%)
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Ferns Hilda Hunter Willesden 3a 461
Hunter James Ferne Willesden 3a 461

(possible perhaps for Daughter Mrs James Hunter, mentioned earlier in 'Thread', below reference)

ArgyllGran Report 19 Mar 2015 08:39


edits (below from Find A Grave website)

http://tinyurl.com/nl7h8wa

Burial
Hilda Ferns Hunter
Greenlawn Memorial Park
Columbia
Richland County
South Carolina, USA
Birth: Nov. 3, 1894
Death: Jan. 2, 1990


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

Name: James Hunter (Bachelor. Occ. Soldier)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Age: 22
Spouse: Hilda Tems (Ferns) (Spinster. Occ. Conductress)
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Jan 1919
Parish: St Paul, Kilburn Square
Borough: Brent
Father Name: Miles Marn Hunter
Spouse Father: Joseph Tems (Deceased. Horse Trainer)
Register Type: Parish Register


Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) HILDA F
Last name HUNTER
Gender Female
Age 29
Birth year 1896
Marital status M
Occupation H'WIFE
Departure year 1925
Departure day 23
Departure month 6
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name LEVIATHAN
(with James Hunter, last UK address as, Clifton House, Ascot)



ArgyllGran Report 19 Mar 2015 08:34

Donald C Ferns
Nearest relative in UK: brother Joseph Ferns, Southsea.


(below?)

Deaths Mar 1970 (>99%)
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FERNS Joseph Wilfred 28 Se 1891 Portsmouth 6b 1404


(could be the one I posted earlier, as below)


Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1891
FERNS Joseph Wilfred Eccleshall Newcastle-Under-Lyme (Mother Maiden Name) MATTHEWS ECC/19/465


Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
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Ferns Joseph Wilfred Stone 6b 30

They're a confusing family!

Margaret's maybe Louie, Charles is maybe Joseph, Margaret/Louie's father is either Jack or William . . . . . . . . . .

1881:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Elizabeth Hill Head Widow Female 72 1809 Laundress Wednesbury, Staffordshire,
Harriet Hill Daughter In Law Widow Female 35 1846 Laundress Kingsley, Staffordshire,
Samuel T Hill Grand Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Alton, Staffordshire,
James R Hill Grand Son Single Male 2 1879 Scholar Farley, Staffordshire,
Frances E Hill Grand Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Farley, Staffordshire,
Joseph Fearns Lodger Single Male 12 1869 Errand Boy Cauldon, Staffordshire,

House name Farley
Parish Farley
County Staffordshire
Country England
Registration district Cheadle
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 2743
Folio 68
Page 11

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First name(s) JOSEPH
Last name FERNS
Birth year 1869
Birth parish CAULDON LOWE
Birth town LEEK
Birth county STAFFORDSHIRE
Father: Benjamin, Cauldon Low, Leek, Staffs
Service number 1329
Regiment Grenadier Guards
Document Type Attestation
Attestation date 17 February 1888
Attestation age years 19
Occ: Groom
Height: 5' 8 1/2, Grey eyes, Brown hair
Religion: Church of England
Attestation Corps Grenadier Guards
Attestation service number 1329
Discharge: 20 February 1888: Inefficient
Discharge Corps Grenadier Guards
Place of Discharge: London
Series WO97 chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 2779
Box Record Number 10
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915

Possible (based on area family were living in 1901 census):


Berkshire Burial Index Transcription
First name(s) Charles
Last name Ferns
Birth year 1868
Death year 1902
Burial year 1902
Burial day 6
Burial month Sep
Church St Michael
Place Warfield
Age 34
Residence Warfield, Newel Gn
County Berkshire
Country England
Record set Berkshire Burial Index

Oh dear then AG!...(was going by Margee below)...

Margee Report 19 Mar 2015 11:41

On that 1928 arrival in US Louisa gives name of nearest relative at home as sister A. Jackson, Seighform, Staffs.


Chris :)

1901 (Find My Past)
Charles J Ferns Head Married Male 32 1869 Stud Groom Cauldon Lowe, Staffordshire, England
Margaret L Ferns Wife Married Female 30 1871 Laundress Staffordshire (Great Haywood) England
Joseph W Ferns Son - Male 9 1892 - Norton Bridge, Staffordshire, England
Hilda M Ferns Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Malvern, Worcestershire, England
Eric Ferns Son - Male 5 1896 - Cheshire, England
Alexander G Ferns Son - Male 3 1898 - Yorkshire, England
Ben Ferns Son - Male 2 1899 - Yorkshire, England
Dorothy N Ferns Daughter - Female 0 1901 (4mths) - Warfield, Berkshire, England
Street Newell Green
Parish Warfield
County Berkshire
Registration district Easthampstead
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1162
Folio 111
Page 11


Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Ferns Alexander George Driffield 9d 362


Births Dec 1893 (>99%)
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Ferns Hilda May Upton 6c 300


Births Dec 1900 (>99%)
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Ferns Dorothy Alice Easthampstead 2c 373

(possible)


Births Dec 1902 (>99%)
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FERNS Donald Charles Easthampstead 2c 397


Births Dec 1905 (>99%)
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Ferns Adelaide Nelly Easthampstead 2c 415


Civil service evidence of age Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Benjamin
Last name Ferns
Birth year 1899
Birth date 2 Jul 1899
Place Hutton Cranswick
County Yorkshire
Event type Baptism
(Parents, Joseph and Louie, occ. of Father, Groom. Abode, Sunderlandwick)

1930 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPHF-MFY
District: 0001 , Sheet Number and Letter: 4A , Household ID: 72 , Line Number: 5
Affiliate Film Number: 2185 , GS Film number: 2341919 , Digital Folder Number: 004547314 , Image Number: 00747

Magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
https://archive.org/stream/15thcensus2185unit#page/n742/mode/1up


d.cert:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N965-FX9 [with image link]

Anyone can search https://familysearch.org/1940census
E.g.,
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K48H-RWD [with image link]
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K48H-SJW [with image link]

But still can't see Joseph Charles's birth, Jean, nor his marriage to Margaret (unless she's Louie Mathews).

Not sure about that Mathews/Jackson marriage, Chris.
Margaret's death record posted on page 1 says her parents were Jack Mathews and Sallie Jackson.

Hi everyone who has helped in this search. I have written twice now but it then dissapears so hope you do not get this in triplet. thank you so much glitterbabe Argyllgran Chris and all for all you hard work. Lucy Compton was know as Margaret. Now I know why I cannot find Charles J as he is Joseph Charles. And I did not know charles Wife was a Mathew I found a King but its wrong.Also did not know she went to America with children.But!!!have some photos of my Husbands Aunt who visited and the people she is with match Christian names. Its breathtaking as my Husband was addopted and now he can see his family tree.Thank you again Jean.

Welcome to the Community boards Jean.




(I'll let Jean know how to find her replies) :-)

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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JACKSON Thomas Stafford 6b 4
Matthews Annie Stafford 6b 4


Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1888
MATTHEWS Annie JACKSON Thomas Colwich, St Michael and All Angels Newcastle-Under-Lyme CE7/1/402

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/


County Staffordshire
Place Colwich
Church St Michael and All Saints
RegisterNumber 402
MarriageDate 30 Apr 1888
GroomForename Thomas
GroomSurname JACKSON
GroomAge 26
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labouerer
GroomAbode Tarpley Cheshire
BrideForename Annie
BrideSurname MATHEWS
BrideAge 22
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideAbode Little haywood
GroomFatherForename Thomas
GroomFatherSurname JACKSON
GroomFatherOccupation Labouerer
BrideFatherForename William
BrideFatherSurname MATTHEWS
BrideFatherOccupation Labouerer
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname MATHEWS
WitnessTwoForename Sarah
WitnessTwoSurname MATHEWS

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(a possible)

Chris :)

1911 (Find My Past)
Thomas Jackson Head Married Male 48 1863 Staffs Eccleshall Gas Stoker
Annie Jackson Wife Married Female 44 1867 Staffs Great Haywood Laundress
Nellie Jackson Daughter Single Female 19 1892 Staffs Stafford Laundress
Kate Jackson Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Staffs Stafford Laundress
Hilda Jackson Daughter - Female 14 1897 Staffs Stafford -
Tom Jackson Son - Male 12 1899 Staffs Seighford School
Frank Jackson Son - Male 10 1901 Staffs Seighford School
Mabel Jackson Daughter - Female 6 1905 Staffs Seighford
Address Seighford Stafford
Census reference RG14 PN16345 RG78 PN1013 RD357 SD1 ED12 SN50


(and looking at Births, Staffs BMD, Mother Maiden Name Hawkins, below could be Parents. Ann 1866, Louisa 1868)

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1855
MATTHEWS William HAWKINS Mary Ann Weston-on-Trent, St Andrew Newcastle-Under-Lyme CE44/01/55


1871 (Find My Past)
William Mathews Head - Male 40 1831 - Staffordshire, England (Farm Labourer)
Mary Ann Mathews Wife - Female 40 1831 - Staffordshire, England
Mary Ann Mathews Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Staffordshire, England
William Mathews Son - Male 10 1861 - Staffordshire, England
John Mathews Son - Male 8 1863 - Staffordshire, England
Ellen Mathews Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Staffordshire, England
Anne Mathews Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Staffordshire, England
Caroline Mathews Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Staffordshire, England
Leiuisa Mathews - - Female 3 1868 - Staffordshire, England
Charles Mathews Son - Male 0 1871 - Staffordshire, England
Street Haywood, Great
Parish Stowe
County Staffordshire
Registration district Stafford
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 2820
Folio 50
Page 24


1881 (Find My Past)
William Mathews Head Married Male 49 1832 Labourer (Farm) Yoxall, Staffordshire, England
Mary Mathews Wife Married Female 49 1832 - Stowe, Staffordshire, England
William Mathews Son Single Male 20 1861 Labourer Staffordshire, England
Catherine Mathews Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - Colwich, Staffordshire, England
Lioussa Mathews Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - Colwich, Staffordshire, England
Charles Mathews Son Single Male 11 1870 - Colwich, Staffordshire, England
Arthur Mathews Grand Son Single Male 0 1881 - Colwich, Staffordshire, England
Parish Colwich
County Staffordshire
Registration district Stafford
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 2691
Folio 29
Page 15


1891 (Find My Past)
William Matthews Head Married Male 60 1831 Labourer Staffordshire, England
Mary Matthews Wife Married Female 60 1831 - Lowe, Staffordshire, England
Louie Matthews Daughter Single Female 22 1869 - Great Haywood, Staffordshire, England
Charles Matthews Son Single Male 20 1871 Labourer Great Haywood, Staffordshire, England
Arthur Matthews Grandson - Male 10 1881 - Little Haywood, Staffordshire, England
Street Chase View
Town Little Haywood
Parish Colwich
County Staffordshire
Registration district Stafford
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2141
Folio 20
Page 5


(if fitting!)

On that 1928 arrival in US Louisa gives name of nearest relative at home as sister A. Jackson, Seighform, Staffs.

Meant to say - that 1891 Matthews/Ferns marriage looks like the right one, chris - good find!!

Re Louie Matthews / Margaret (King?)'s birth.
Possibles??? :-

Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
MATHEWS Louie Walsall 6b 622

Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
MATTHEWS Louisa Stafford 6b 25


????
Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
Matthews Louisa Adelaide J Kidderminster 6c 203

Still can't see any birth for Charles/Joseph.

This might possibly be the death of the Charles born 4th qr 1867:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
Name: Charles Ferns
Birth: abt 1868
Death: Jan 1870 - Cheadle, Staffordshire

Just a bit more on the 1916 marriage, in case it helps:

Gloucestershire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name: Eric Ferns (an electrician)
Birth Year: abt 1895
Marriage Date: 7 Oct 1916
Age: 21
Father: Joseph Charles Ferns (deceased, a horse trainer)
Spouse: Margaret Lucy Compton (a confectioner)
Spouse Age: 25
Spouse Father: Robert Compton (a clerk)
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Gloucester, St James, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: St James

Bride and groom not previously married, both give address as 21 Painswick Road.

Witnesses: Leonard Henry Russell; Lena Rose Curtis? or Artus?

First arrival USA in 1928:

Donald Ferns

in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Donald Ferns
Arrival Date: 30 Apr 1928
Birth Date: abt 1903
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: brachnell
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Leviathan
Search Ship Database: Search for the Leviathan in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Travelling with Louisa, Dorothy and Adelaide.
Donald's an engineer, Dorothy's a teacher, and Adelaide's a singer.
Going to join Louisa's daughter Mrs James Hunter, 527 North Ave., Anderson

Donald C Ferns

in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Donald C Ferns
Arrival Date: 10 Feb 1933
Birth Date: abt 1903
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: warfield
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Berengaria
Search Ship Database: Search for the Berengaria in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database


Travelling with Louise, age 64, born Great Haywood; last permanent address Anderson, USA.
Nearest relative in UK: brother Joseph Ferns, Southsea.
Going to join: sister Dorothy Ferns, 602 Marshall Ave., Anderson, SC.
Lived in USA since 1928 [agrees with 1930 census]

FERNS Eric COMPTON Margaret Lucy Gloucester Gloucester St James 1916 29x No 7 308

(as above, from below)

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

Chris :)


Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1891
FERNS Joseph Wilfred Eccleshall Newcastle-Under-Lyme (Mother Maiden Name) MATTHEWS ECC/19/465

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(was looking at son on 1901, but don't think so!) (perhaps now could be!)


Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
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Ferns Joseph Stafford 6b 5
Matthews Louie Stafford 6b 5


Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
FERNS Joseph MATTHEWS Louie Colwich, St Michael and All Angels Newcastle-Under-Lyme CE7/1/41



County Staffordshire
Place Colwich
Church St Michael and All Saints
RegisterNumber 416
MarriageDate 15 May 1891
GroomForename Joseph
GroomSurname FERNS
GroomAge 24
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Coachman
GroomAbode Alton towers
BrideForename Louisa
BrideSurname MATTHEWS
BrideAge 22
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideAbode Little haywood
GroomFatherForename Joseph
GroomFatherSurname FERNS
GroomFatherOccupation Stone mason
BrideFatherForename William
BrideFatherSurname MATTHEWS
BrideFatherOccupation Labouerer
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname BRADSHAW
WitnessTwoForename Jane
WitnessTwoSurname MATTHEWS


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl


Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Ferns Alexander George Driffield 9d 362


Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1897
FERNS Alexander G Driffield East Riding DRI/33/94

http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Perhaps Lucy is actually Margaret Lucy??

Marriages Dec 1916
Compton Margaret L Ferns Gloucester 6a 633
Ferns Eric Compton Gloucester 6a 633