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James- if you need any further help, please let us know. You also still have two unopened messages with newspaper articles attached that may be of interest.

Best Wishes

Hi All,

Thank you for your amazing research results.

The persistence of Argyll Gran, Chris Ho, and Gritty, is overwhelming.
We are so grateful for all the details you have found.

Not forgetting the many other contributions of members who helped with the many aspects of the families of James (all of them!) and William, that we did not know about.

You have all helped to uncover a profoundly interesting history for us; William and his father’s and their ancestors lives have come alive to us for the first time in over 50years.

We have a clear identification of Marjorie’s parental line ancestors with additional background details; many more than we ever expected, Enough to keep us busy with our own investigations for the foreseeable future.

Thanks to Chris for mentioning the other tree owners with possible connections I will make contact with them.

We cannot possibly thank you all enough for your help.

I will leave the thread open for a few days to allow any last and final discoveries that may appear, before marking my question as answered.

Best regards
James Ballantyne.

Just to add, a Genes Member shares Helen Lauder, and a few share Catherine Loch 1846 (details matching Birth posted by AG earlier)

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Chris :)

Just to recap on the Bairds.

William Leslie's wife, Margaret Baird, was born c1886, only daughter of James Baird (born c1864, Dundee), and Australian born Helena Pullar.

Margaret's Mum, Helena, dies in 1893 Dundee

Margaret's father, James, remarries to Annie (possibly in 1895 Dundee to Annie Ladds)

James and Annie move to 'Home Lea' Pilmour Place

James (Margaret's Dad) died at Pilmour Place in 1946.

Annie (his second wife) then moves to 6 Wallace Avenue- where she dies in 1953.
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Dundee Courier - Saturday 20 April 1946
BAIRD- At 'Home Lea' 1 Pilmour Pl. St. Andrews on April 19th 1946, James Baird, retired baker, late of Miller's Wynd, Dundee. Service in Dundee Crematorium on Tuesday 23rd at 3pm, to which all friends are invited.
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To recap on the Leslies:

James Leslie born c1806 Edinburgh, married Helen Lauder from Duns, Berwick.

James and Helen had the following children:
Helen c1836
Margaret c1838
John c1840
Janet c1845
James born 1849*- 1907
William 1854- 1929

James born 1849 married Catherine Loch (daughter of David & Ellen) in 1874. James died in 1907 Duns, and Catherine died 1914, also at Duns. James and Catherine had the following children:
James c1875 Huddersfield
Frederick b15th September 1876 Huddersfield
Helen c1880 Huddersfield
Catherine Janet b1881 Brandon, Durham
Edith Margaret b1883 Brandon, Durham
William c1886 Newcastle*

William, born 1886 married Margaret Mcnair Baird in Calcutta 1920.

Another article on James' father -large article- have also sent by pm):

Berwickshire News and General Advertiser - Tuesday 14 January 1908

DUN'S MANS DEATH IN DUNDEE
We regret to record the death of Mr James Leslie caretaker of Lochee Public Park....

...He was in his 57th year and is survived by a widow and a grown up family of sons and three daughters...He was the second son of the late Mr James Leslie, Wellfield Cottage, Duns, and brother of Mr John Leslie, Burgh Surveyor, Duns...The coffin was of polished oak and covered with wreaths from his sorrowing widow, family, sisters and friends....

William's uncle (brother of James Leslie) spent a lot of time in Calcutta

Large article re his death (have pm'd entire article)

Berwickshire News and General Advertiser - Tuesday 15 January 1929

DEATH OF NOTABLE DUNS MAN
THE LATE MR WILLIAM LESLIE OF CALCUTTA
outline-
death 3rd Jan 1929
Founder of firm W. Leslie & Co. started in 1890
born in 1855 in Wellfield Cottage
Went to Calcutta in 1877
Retired 1903
For many years had divided his time between India and England
Eldest Son- Mark Leslie
Second Son- Kenneth Leslie

this is the cottage:
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-45622732.html

Jim...
This is possibly where James Leslie snr. worked /lived in the gardeners cottage there is only one Wellfield House in Duns....

Georgian Wellfield House and Lodge at Duns, 15 miles from Berwick, was originally built for the sheriff of Berwickshire in about 1780, and is believed to have once been part of the Duns Castle estate.




http://www.theweek.co.uk/pictures/58264/best-properties-colourful-houses

So it was the Baird family that had the links with St. Andrews- and it was Margaret's father that had the second marriage.

Margaret's family 1891:

James Baird Head Married Male 27 1864 Baker Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus),
Helena Baird Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Australia
Margaret Mcn Baird Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus),

House name Millar's Wynd
Parish Dundee
County Forfarshire (Angus)
Registration district St Peter
Archive reference RG12
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and 1901:

James Baird Head Married Male 37 1864 Journeyman Baker Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus),
Annie Baird Wife Married Female 32 1869 - -
Maggie Baird Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus),

Parish Dundee
Country Scotland
County Forfarshire (Angus)
Registration district St Peters
Archive reference RG13
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Death of James Baird's first wife (Scotlands People):

1893 BAIRD HELENA Other surnames- PULLAR F 32 ST PETER DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/01 0369
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Possible birth for his first wife (can be confirmed by death cert):

Australia, Birth Index
Name: Helena Pullar
Father's name: David Pullar
Mother's name: Jessie Barron
Birth Place: Melbourne, Victoria
Registration Year: 1861
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 983
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Possible second marriage for James Baird to Annie Ladds:

1895 BAIRD JAMES LADDS ANNIE ST MARY DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/02 0215

Catherine's death:

Dundee Courier - Monday 07 December 1914
LESLIE- at 75 Ancrum Road, on the 5th inst., Catherine Loch, wife of the late James Leslie- deeply mourned.

Relating to Pilmour address

Sunday Post - Sunday 03 November 1935

CHILDREN's COMPETITION PRIZE WINNERS
JAMES LESLIE (14) 1 Pilmour Place, St Andrews
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22 Miller's Wynd- Same address as on article re marriage (nice find Chris Ho):

Dundee Courier - Friday 19 January 1906
Baird- At 22 Miller's Wynd, Dundee on the 18th inst, James Baird, gas meter inspector, in his 86th year.
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address given on 1947 passenger list so maybe related (possibly James' second wife?):

Dundee Courier - Tuesday 16 June 1953
All parties having claims against the late Mrs Annie Baird, of 6 Wallace Avenue, St Andrews, are requested to lodge same with the Subscribers within 10 days from this date; and all parties INDEBTED to the said Annie Baird are requested to make payment within the said period.
J&J Hunter, Solicitors
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Berwickshire News and General Advertiser - Tuesday 07 January 1908

Deaths:
At Lochee Park Lodge, Dundee, on the 27th December 1907, James Leslie, 2nd son of the late James Leslie, Wellfield Cottage, Duns
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http://billiongraves.com/pages/record/James-Leslie/2058584#given_names=James&family_names=Leslie

(from google search, looks to relate, Duns Cemetery)


1891 (Find My Past)
Helen Leslie Head Widow Female 79 1812 Annuitant Duns, Berwickshire, Scotland
William Leslie Grandson Unmarried Male 13 1878 Message Boy Duns, Berwickshire, Scotland
House name House At Wellfield
Parish Duns
County Berwickshire
Registration district Duns
Archive reference RG12

Chris :)


Wills & Testaments 1907 - 1908 2 matches

(if one of above matching, from below, credits needed, also for BMD's 1911 Census etc.)

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/


edits (unable to get on below link at moment, can be useful, Scotland)

Scottish Archive Network

www.scan.org.uk/

Welcome to the Scottish Archive Network ... Online Catalogue. Search a single catalogue to historical records in 52 Scottish archives

James Leslie

in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: James Leslie
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relationship: Son (Child)
Father: James Leslie
Mother: Helen Leslie
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunse, berwicks
Parish Number: 735
Civil Parish: Duns
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Dunse
County: Berwickshire
Address: Wellfield Road
Occupation: At Home
ED: 3
Page: 29
Household schedule number: 149
LINE: 8
Roll: CSSCT1851_196
Household Members:
Name Age
James Leslie 46 - labourer, born Edinburgh
Helen Leslie 38 - born Duns
Helen Leslie 15
Margt Leslie 13
John Leslie 11
Janet Leslie 6
James Leslie 1

(These other people are also on the Ancestry transcription, but I suspect they're a different household):
Stephen W Underhill 44
Amelia Underhill 35
Stephen M Underhill 9
Walter G Underhill 7
Margt S Underhill 5
Sarah G Underhill 2
Isabella Corsbie 12
William Mc Adam 19
Alice Whitehead 30
Mary Bell 16




James Leslie

in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: James Leslie
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relationship: Son (Child)
Father's name: James Leslie
Mother's name: Helen Leslie
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunse, berwicksh
Registration Number: 735
Registration district: Duns
Civil Parish: Duns
County: Berwickshire
Address: Wellfd Garden
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 169
LINE: 18
Roll: CSSCT1861_136
Household Members:
Name Age
James Leslie 56
Helen Leslie 48
John Leslie 22
James Leslie 11
William Leslie 7



Helen Leslie
in the 1871 Scotland Census

Name: Helen Leslie
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : James Leslie
Gender: Female
Where born: Dunse, Berwickshire
Registration Number: 735
Registration district: Dunse
Civil Parish: Dunse
Town: Dunse
County: Berwickshire
Address: Wellfield Gardeners House
Occupation: Ag Labourer
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 76
LINE: 25
Roll: CSSCT1871_174
Household Members:
Name Age
James Leslie 67
Helen Leslie 59
William Leslie 17

And James's birth:

04/08/1849 LESLIE JAMES
JAMES LESLIE/HELEN LAUDER
FR1485 (FR1485) M DUNS /BERWICK 735/00 0060 0236

Probably Catherine's birth, fitting with details in 1901 census:

07/10/1846 LOCH CATHERINE DAVID LOCH/HELEN WILSON FR1431 (FR1431) F NEWTON /MIDLOTHIAN 696/00 0050 0270

As Catherine's birthplace is given as Midlothian, in the 1881 census, this is likely their marriage:

1874 LESLIE JAMES LOCH CATHERINE LEITH SOUTH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 692/02 0090

James Leslie

in the 1881 England Census

Name: James Leslie
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Catherine Leslie
Gender: Male
Where born: Berwickshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Brandon and Byshottles
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: Eshwood Hall
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Gardener (Dom)
Registration district: Durham
Sub registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4951
Folio: 120
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
James Leslie 32
Catherine Leslie 33
James Leslie 6
Frederick Leslie 4
Helen Leslie 1

???? Maybe, a year earlier than on the school record??

Births Jun 1885 (>99%)
Leslie William Newcastle T. 10b 140

1891 (Find My Past)
James Leslie Head Married Male 41 1850 Gardener Scotland
Catherine Leslie Wife Married Female 43 1848 - Scotland
James A Leslie Son - Male 16 1875 Driller Iron Works Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Frederick Leslie Son - Male 14 1877 ? Coal Mine Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Helen Leslie Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Catherine J Leslie Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Brandon, Durham, England
Edith M Leslie Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Brandon, Durham, England
William Leslie Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Newcastle, Nottinghamshire, (Northumberland on image) England
House name Grays Buildings
Street Granary Row
Town Washington
Parish Washington
County Durham
Registration district Harraton
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 4124
Folio 62
Page 44

Chris :)


Births Mar 1875 (>99%)
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Leslie James Alexander Huddersfield 9a 352


Births Dec 1876 (>99%)
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Leslie Frederick Huddersfield 9a 356


Births Dec 1879 (>99%)
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Leslie Ellen Huddersfield 9a 363


Births Dec 1881 (>99%)
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Leslie Catherine Janet Durham 10a 357


Births Dec 1883 (>99%)
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LESLIE Edith Margaret Durham 10a 364

So William was born in England.

There are these possibilities:

Births Dec 1885 (>99%)
Leslie William Carlisle 10b 469
Leslie William Tynemouth 10b 192

Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
Leslie William Marylebone 1a 544


EDIT: But none of those would have been born 20/04/1886.