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This looks like the baptism for Richard Ott's father:

Name: John Osband
[John Osband Ott]
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1801
Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Parent(s): John Ott, Esther Ann Ott
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

On the image it is John Osmand, son of John and Esther Ann Ott Leath.Draper new Road.

This could be John's marriage to wife Ann from the 1851 census:

Name: Ann Des Moulins
Spouse: John Osband Ott
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Oct 1824
Parish: St Mary, Newington
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

One witness was [first name illegible] Osborne Ott.

John and Esther had other children baptised Bermondsey:

Richard Osband Otto [Richard Osband Ott] Baptism 30 Oct 1803 St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Surrey John,Esther Ann

Esther Orland Ott Baptism 27 Oct 1805 St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Surrey John, Esther

William James Ott Baptism 9 Aug 1807 St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Surrey John, Esther Ann

So it looks like there are quite a few Osband/Osborne/Variant Otts about. which is why you need to bery very careful.

John and Esther's marriage?

Name: John Ott
Spouse: Esther Ann Frazer
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Mar 1801
Parish: St Mary, Newington
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

Have just realised father of John Osband Ott bap 1880, and Florence born 1880, is Richard Henry Ott, on Florence's marriage, but Richard Osmand Ott on Florence and John Osmand Ott's baptisms. Priscilla Ott was one of the witnesses at the wedding.

Florence and John Osband Ott had been baptised the same day, 16 May 1880.

Florence Ott 16 May 1880 Rotherhithe St Barnabas Southwark Richard Osband Ott, Prisalla Ott

Richard and Priscilla had other children baptised in another job lot previously :

Henry Ott 3 Sep 1876 Peckham St Andrew Southwark Richard Osbond Ott, Priscilla Ott

Priscilla Ott 3 Sep 1876 Peckham St Andrew Southwark Richard Osbond Ott, Priscilla Ott

Richard Osbond Ott 3 Sep 1876 Peckham St Andrew Southwark Richard Osbond Ott, Priscilla Ott

Father a butcher of 16 Peckham Park Road.

This would be the family in census 1881:


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

16, Peckham Park Road, Camberwell, London, England

Richard Ott Head Married Male 37 1844 Butcher Rotherhithe, Surrey, England <<<<<<<<<
Priscilla Ott Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Rotherhithe, Surrey,<<<
Henry Ott Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Mile End, Middlesex, England
John Ott Son Single Male 3 1878 - Peckham, Surrey, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Priscilla Ott Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Peckham, Surrey, England
Florence Ott Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Peckham, Surrey, England <<<<<<<<<<<<
Emily Spicer Niece Single Female 17 1864 Domestic Servant Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Ruth Larkin Servant Single Female 15 1866 Domestic Servant Surrey, England
Mary Ann Ott Niece Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Borough, Surrey, England

This would look to be Richard Ott in census 1851, with a parent named John O Ott, posiibly John Osmand/Osmond/Oborn etc, who just happens to be another butcher.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kent Street, Saint George Southwark, Surrey, England

John O Ott Head Married Male 49 1802 Butcher Bermondsey, Surrey, England<<<<
Ann Ott Wife Married Female 44 1807 - St Giles, Middlesex, England
Sarah Ott Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1830 General Serv St George, Surrey, England
Henry Ott Son - Male 10 1841 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Richard Ott Son - Male 8 1843 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

This LOOKED like the John Ott from the 1891 that Chris posted, living with married sister Florence in BERMONDSEY.:


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

5 Webster Road Bermondsey, Bermondsey, London, England

William Humphreys Head Married Male General Porter 38 1873 London Bermondsey
Florence Humphreys Wife Married Female - 31 1880 London Peckham
John Ott Brother Single Male General Labourer 32 1879 London Peckham

However the sister's marriage has a different father, although he is a butcher, and Florence is too young:

Name: Florence Ott
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age: 21
Spouse: William Henry Humphreys
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Jan 1901
Parish: St Jude, Peckham
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Richard Henry Ott butcher<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse Father: William Humphreys
Register Type: Parish Register

It seems this Florence and John are here in 1891, and john has middles initial 'O':


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Old Kent Road, Camberwell, London, England

William L Eve Head Married Male 35 1856 Fitter Peckham, Surrey, England
Emily J Eve Wife Married Female 29 1862 Coffee House Keeper Bow, Middlesex, England
Priscilla Ott Servant - Female 14 1877 General Servant Peckham, Surrey, England <<<<
John O Ott Errand Boy - Male 12 1879 Errand Boy Peckham, Surrey, England<<<<
Florence Ott - - Female 11 1880 Scholar Peckham, Surrey,England <<<<
Jane Finch Servant Single Female 23 1868 General Servant Bayswater, Middlesex, England
Ada Field Servant - Female 13 1878 General Servant Bayswater, Middlesex, England

There is a John Ott born Plumstead who is a butcher's manager and married in 1901, he is perhaps more likely to be the John Ott from Chris's 1891 census:

24 Thornford Road Lewisham S E, Lewisham, London, England

John Ott Head Married Male Butchers Manager 30 1881 Plumstead Kent<<<<<<<<<
Mary Ott Wife Married Female - 33 1878 Hull Yorkshire
Maud Ott Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Lewisham Kent
Mabel Ott Daughter - Female - 3 1908 St Pancras London
John Goodenough Brother In Law Married Male Examiner Miscellanious Arsenal 30 1881 Deptford Kent
Sarah Goodenough Sister In Law Married Female - 33 1878 Deptford Kent
Mabel Flaunty Boarder Single Female Cook 27 1884 Plumstead Kent

The inlaws in the census tally with this marriage, despite the Osborne rather than Osmand:

Marriages Mar 1905
GOODENOUGH Mary Jane Lewisham 1d 1178
Ott John Osborne Lewisham 1d 1178

Given the Priscilla Ott in the same household as Florence and John in 1891, this looks to be that John Ott's baptism:

Name: John Osband Ott<<<<<
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 May 1880
Father's name: Richard Osband Ott<<<<<<
Mother's name: Priscilla Ott<<<<<<
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Barnabas
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Just to make it even more interesting, this John Osmand Ott's father, Richard Osmand Ott, was a butcher too (like John Osmand Ott, father of the Reuben Osmand Ott and John etc that Chris posted)

I really do this you need to invest in certs to ensure you don't end up following the wrong line, albeit I suspect the butchering Otts are probably all related somehow, but it would be best to be certain which branch is yours.

RE the marriage Chris found above, for Emily M Fuller to William G Fensome; I would have assumed she was then probably Emily Elizabeth's sister, if it is the right John Ott on the ER, but two sisters, called Emily Elizabeth and Emily May?

Maybe she was a cousin or something, even an elderly mother.

I know it's not impossible to have living siblings with the same forename, I found sibling pairs Mary Ann, Mary Jane, Sarah Ann, Sarah Jane, who all survived to adulthood and were concurrent.

(below look to link in 'Trees' of both Members also)

County Kent
Place Deptford
Church Saint Nichola
RegisterNumber 274
MarriageDate 26 Jun 1902
GroomForename Reuben Osband
GroomSurname OTT
GroomAge 26
GroomParish Saint Nicholas
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Butcher
GroomAbode Watergate Street, Deptford
BrideForename Zillah
BrideSurname PEAD
BrideAge 21
BrideParish Saint Nicholas
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideAbode Watergate Street, Deptford
GroomFatherForename John Osband
GroomFatherSurname OTT
GroomFatherOccupation Butcher
BrideFatherForename Charles
BrideFatherSurname PEAD
BrideFatherOccupation Deceased
WitnessOneForename John
WitnessOneSurname STEWART
WitnessTwoForename Miss M.
WitnessTwoSurname PEAD


County Kent
Place Crayford
Church St Paulinus
RegisterNumber 85
MarriageDate 23 Dec 1917
GroomForename Philip Alfred
GroomSurname SCALES
GroomAge 26
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Belt Man
GroomAbode Green Walk, Crayford
BrideForename Sarah Ann
BrideSurname OTT
BrideAge 24
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideAbode Green Walk, Crayford
GroomFatherForename John George
GroomFatherSurname SCALES
GroomFatherOccupation Coach Painter
BrideFatherForename William Daniel
BrideFatherSurname OTT
BrideFatherOccupation Butcher
WitnessOneForename Benjamin J
WitnessOneSurname DIPLOCK
WitnessTwoForename May
WitnessTwoSurname HOCKING


Baptism
County Kent
Place Crayford
Church St Paulinus
RegisterNumber 1231
DateOfBirth 28 May 1924
BaptismDate 15 Jun 1924
Forename Ethel May
FatherForename Alfred John Osband
MotherForename Ethel May
FatherSurname OTT
MotherSurname
Abode Rollins Street, Old Kent Road
FatherOccupation Petty Officer


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl


1891 (Find My Past)
John A Ott Head Married Male 43 1848 Butcher & Dealer Greenwich, Kent, England
Maria E Ott Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Taverham, Norfolk, England
Alfred J Ott Son Single Male 20 1871 Assistant Butcher Plumstead, Kent, England
William J Ott Son Single Male 19 1872 Assistant Butcher Plumstead, Kent, England
Reuben O Ott Son Single Male 15 1876 Assistant Butcher Plumstead, Kent, England
Rebecca C Ott Daughter Single Female 14 1877 Scholar Plumstead, Kent, England
Ephraim Ott Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar Plumstead, Kent, England
John O Ott Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Plumstead, Kent, England
Arthur O Ott Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar Plumstead, Kent, England
Florence E Ott Daughter Single Female 5 1886 Scholar Plumstead, Kent, England
Mabel M Ott Daughter Single Female 4 1887 Scholar Plumstead, Kent, England
Walter O Ott Son Single Male 1 1890 - Plumstead, Kent, England
Street High Street
Parish Plumstead
County London
Registration district Woolwich
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 539
Folio 34
Page 1

Chris :)

(as ever, Certs. needed to be sure of things!)


edits

(below probably ties in with posting by Kucinta above, Electoral Roll find)


Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------
Fensome William G Fuller St.Olave 1d 444
Fuller Emily M Fensome St.Olave 1d 444

Related presumably
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1352778

I do think you need to buy either the birth or the marriage cert for William J Ott to find out the name and occupation of his father, to have any confidence in taking this line of enquiry further.

There is a John Ott, no middle initial, living with an Emily Elizabeth Ott at 102 Bevington Street, Bermondsey in the London ERs for 1935. The other occupants entitled to vote are listed as Emily May Fensome, and William George Fensome.

Name: John Ott
Year: 1935
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Bermondsey

There are several births on FreeBMD for an Emily Elizabeth Fuller.

Possible deaths for John O Ott, given there only seems to be one Ott-Fuller birth, namely that of William J in 1920, might the one who died 1921 be the father?

Just speculation though:

Name: John O Ott
Birth Date: abt 1881
Date of Registration: Jun 1921
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 638



Name: John O Ott
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Jun 1942
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1341

You probably need either the marriage or the birth cert to be sure of father's name.

He MIGHT be either of these, especially if it was a second marriage for the groom, but they are a little on the old side, and there is no proof or evidence for connection:

???

Births Jun 1878 Ott John Osband Camberwell 1d 818

Births Sep 1880 OTT John Osband Woolwich 1d 1157

???

In view of the variant in mmn on freebmd as posted above:

Marriages Mar 1920 (>99%)
Fuller Emily E Ott St. Olave 1d 298
Ott John O Fuller St. Olave 1d 298

This looks to be the birth record you are referring to.

Name: William J Ott
Mother's Maiden Surname: Puller
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: St Olave
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 409

EDIT: Freebmd has:

Births Jun 1920 Ott William J Fuller St.Olave 1d 409

NB, FULLER not PULLER

I would be grateful if you could help me to find who William J Ott b.1920 Bermondsey London parents were have looked everywhere but to no avail. He married Rose E Howard b.1924 Bermondsey London on the Jun 1943 St Olave Bermondsey. I believe his mother's maiden name may have been Puller but I cannot find a marriage for them.
Many thanks
Regards
Effie Lewis