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back on my search for James,
I have the birth certs . Edith Mary was born at 8.30 a.m and James at 8.50 on the
14th of May . There births were registered on the 21st June.so he was alive for 6wks
Any ideas were I might find christening records to see if they might have changed his name or if he lived long enough to be christened

James was not necessarily alive on 21 June, as the certificate only records that he had been born.
I have known births and deaths recorded at the same time, when a child is sickly at birth.

that's the problem there is no death record anywhere

They both have Williams as MMN on GRO

What about mother not coping with 2 babies and gave one away, given a new name that's why he can't be found.

That's a thought, but she went on to have 14 children in 25yrs , and both came from large family, so I think there would have been plenty of help, think I am going to have to take a trip to the archives. or rip my hair out

I have a baby on my tree who has no birth cert but does have a death cert, he was baptised before his death that's how I picked him up as my gt grandparents names came up in hints with his baptism.

My father had a brother born and died before he was born. I know the name and where he slots in (a 35 month gap), I know he died of meningitis but there's no record of him. We believe he either died very quickly after birth and as a kindness called a stillbirth (to save money) or a payment made to grave diggers to put him in a grave about to be used so he was in consecrated ground.

As you have the birth certificate, have you search the 1939 register using his DOB please?

Co-incidence? Not seeing a birth to match this man

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Parnell Household (4 People)
177 Perth Road , Barking M.B., Essex, England

Frank Derricutt
DOB 14 May 1898
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Motor Car Instrument Panel Assemble
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3

Jessie E Parnell
DOB 16 Apr 1873
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duti
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Clara E Derricutt
DOB 07 Sep 1901
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Dut
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Harry Palmer
DOB 09 Dec 1878
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Ship - Plumbers Mate
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 39
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 4
Ref: RG101/1056I/006/19 Letter Code:
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DERRICUTT, FRANK SKITT Order
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in WHITCHURCH Volume 06A Page 772


Perhaps he got the year wrong

Ah! Looks like it PatinCyprus. Back to the drawing board :-(

PatinCyprus that Frank Derricutt mother a Skitt is part of my family
His parents were Thomas Derricutt and Christiana Skitt.
James belonged to Henry Derricutt and Sarah Williams.
Thomas and Henry were brothers

thank you but that frank on the 1939 reg is a Francis Derricutt that married a Clara E Parnell , not my family